CFIDS, CFS, FM  

 

   Vets + Disability  Vets + Disability (alternate)
 

for WW II vets ... for 'Vietnam Vets" ... etc

We are talking about the same thing: all that happened to the Vietnam vet ... However, you give it the heading DIOXIN ... I give the other chemical the blame (Except for the 2-3 things that ARE dioxin (AO) only.

What happened to the Vietnam Vet? The whole list of presented harm should be presumptively approved; and although AO was in the mix for some who were harmed, it is not the core issue for most, nor did those who came down with many health issues 'on this list' have to be exposed to AO (They would have to be exposed to EGBE or 2-butoxyethanol, however)

How many Vietnam Vets have applied for disability? ... and what percentage have been approved?

If they haven't figured it out by now, they probably won't.

Paradigm shifts are hard to do, especially for the govt

But then, they didn't realize
the real cause of Pres FDR's death, either
 

why not AO? 

Author Topic: Children of Vietnam War Veterans Affected by Agent Orange
DaveBarker
 
quote:
To quote the website: "Reply: What Agent Orange gets blamed for is a whole lot more than it can do.
Scientists have said that the immune issues they find in Vietnam vets are not the kind of thing that Dioxin would do." What scientists? What criteria do they use? The sources used in my work include the basics: National Academy of Sciences, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, USAF Operation Ranch Hand Study 2000, plus nearly 20,000 different veterans medical records reveiwed by me since becoming a veterans service officer.



I am interested in sharing. What I stated is a quote from a site, which raises issues that once again place doubt on Agent Orange residuals. Not in my mind, or most of those who visit the site. But in the minds of those who constantly work to deny the affect the chemical had on the Agent Orange exposed veteran. The link clearly stated as I copied it and pasted it "What Agent Orange gets blamed for is a whole lot more than it can do... Scientists have said that the immune issues they find in Vietnam vets are not the kind of thing that Dioxin would do." I respond what scientists, I now add, what is their research consisting of? A part of the research found in my studies comes from the 10-80 Committee which was a Vietnam national study done with the natives of the affected areas.

Those anti-Vietnam veteran sites are not going to disappear, so my wanting them to go away is a moot point. We worked for years to get what little recognition for the damage done to veterans (and others) by the government use of herbicides in Vietnam, Korea DMZ, Guam, Thailand and several other places.

I have no problem with issues of 2-butxoyethanol. I also have articles related to many cases of other conditions as well. It is just that this is an Agent Orange support forum and posting information which IMPLIES Agent Orange gets blamed for is a whole lot more than it can do" is exactly what I heard in the 1970's. This was when I first became involved in Agent Orange veterans cases.

I have written and published articles on: Benzene, Depleted Uranium, ionization radiation, non-ionization radiation, Undiagnosed Illness of PGW veterans, PTSD and a lot more. They are not posted on this site, they are posted elsewhere.
Please notice your article was not deleted, edited, moved or anything of that nature. It remains intact. I am not a censor. My statement to you is many people gave up careers to bring the Agent Orange issue to light. One was a VA employee of many years ago. Maude Victor a Veterans Benefit Councelor who assisted veterans in fighting the VA general response of Agent Orange claims, "just say no!" She was finally terminated. My own job was threatened in 1983 and 1984 over Agent Orange articles published in veterans newspapers and magazines.
I simply ask you not to try to take away what we worked so hard to obtain.
 

  a look at Dioxin  

 

Chemical Name: Dioxin (2,3,7,8-TCDD)
CAS Number: 1746-01-6

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Other Names for this Chemical
About Chemical Synonyms
04068 (CA DPR Chem Code) , 1746-01-6 (CAS Number) , 1746016 , 1746016 (CAS Number) , 2,3,7,8-TCDD (as impurity or contaminant) , 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-1,4-dioxin , 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin , 2,3,7,8-tetraclorodibenzo-p-dioxin , 4068 (CA DPR Chem Code) , 600000 (US EPA PC Code) , Dibenzo(b,e)(1,4)dioxin, 2,3,7,8-tetrachloro- , Dibenzo-p-dioxin, 2,3,7,8-tetrachloro- (6CI, 7CI, 8CI) , Dioxin (2,3,7,8-TCDD) , Dioxin (as impurity or contaminant) , Dioxin2378TCDD , Dioxins , Polychlorinated dibenzo-p-dioxins , TCDBD , TCDD

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CAS:1746-01-6

DIBENZO-P-DIOXIN, 2,3,7,8-TETRACHLORO-; (2,3,7,8-TETRACHLORODIBENZO-P-DIOXIN)

CAS:108-88-3

Ingred Name:TOLUENE

Hazards -

Reports of Carcinogenicity:NTP:NO IARC:NO OSHA:NO Health Hazards Acute and Chronic:   ACUTE: HARMFUL/FATAL IF SWALLOWED. VAP HARMFUL IF INHALED. SYMPS: HDCH, DIZZ, HALLUCINATIONS, DISTORTED PERCEPTIONS, CHANGES IN MOTOR ACTIVITY, NAUS, RESP IRRIT, CNS DEPRESS, UNCON, LIVER, KIDNEY & LU NG DMG. CONT MAY CAUSE SEV EYE IRRIT. MAY CAUSE SKIN IRRIT.

CHRONIC: TOLUENE APPEARS ON THE NAVY (EFTS OF OVEREXPOSURE) Explanation of Carcinogenicity:NOT RELEVANT. Effects of Overexposure:HLTH HAZ: OCCUPATIONAL CHEMICAL REPRODUCTIVE HAZARDS LIST. Medical Cond Aggravated by Exposure: RESPIRATORY, LIVER AND KIDNEY CONDITIONS.

DIOXIN MIX, M-8280A -- 6850-00N072524

CAS:1746-01-6     Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%

CAS:40321-76-4    Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%

CAS:39227-28-6    Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%

CAS:35822-46-9    Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%

CAS:3268-87-9     Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%

CAS:108-88-3  Toluene Fraction by Wt: 99.99%

Toluene is a teratogen

Toluene    *    2538, 1545, 1361 an organic solvent, can affect your brain  MSDS *  
  toluene inhalation experience - non EVOS  *

 

2,2,6-Trimethyl-4H-1,3-Dioxin-4-One

Common Name: 1,4-Dioxane CAS Number: 123-91-1

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