for WW II vets
... for 'Vietnam Vets" ... etc
We are talking about the same thing:
all that happened to the Vietnam vet
... However, you give it the heading
DIOXIN ... I give
the other chemical the blame
(Except for the 2-3 things that ARE
dioxin (AO) only.
What happened
to the Vietnam Vet? The
whole list of presented harm should
be presumptively approved; and
although AO was in the mix for some
who were harmed, it is not the core
issue for most, nor did those who
came down with many health issues
'on this list' have to be exposed to
AO (They would have to be exposed to
EGBE or 2-butoxyethanol, however)
How many Vietnam Vets have applied
for disability? ... and what
percentage have been approved?
If they haven't figured it out by
now, they probably won't.
Paradigm shifts are hard to do,
especially for the govt
But then, they didn't realize
the real cause of Pres FDR's death,
either
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November 2006 04:39 |
quote:
To quote the website:
"Reply: What Agent Orange
gets blamed for is a whole
lot more than it can do.
Scientists have said that
the immune issues they find
in Vietnam vets are not the
kind of thing that Dioxin
would do." What scientists?
What criteria do they use?
The sources used in my work
include the basics: National
Academy of Sciences, New
England Journal of Medicine,
Journal of the American
Medical Association, USAF
Operation Ranch Hand Study
2000, plus nearly 20,000
different veterans medical
records reveiwed by me since
becoming a veterans service
officer.
I am interested in sharing. What I
stated is a quote from a site, which
raises issues that once again place
doubt on Agent Orange residuals. Not
in my mind, or most of those who
visit the site. But in the minds of
those who constantly work to deny
the affect the chemical had on the
Agent Orange exposed veteran. The
link clearly stated as I copied it
and pasted it "What Agent Orange
gets blamed for is a whole lot more
than it can do... Scientists have
said that the immune issues they
find in Vietnam vets are not the
kind of thing that Dioxin would do."
I respond what scientists, I now
add, what is their research
consisting of? A part of the
research found in my studies comes
from the 10-80 Committee which was a
Vietnam national study done with the
natives of the affected areas.
Those anti-Vietnam veteran sites
are not going to disappear, so my
wanting them to go away is a moot
point. We worked for years to get
what little recognition for the
damage done to veterans (and others)
by the government use of herbicides
in Vietnam, Korea DMZ, Guam,
Thailand and several other places.
I have no problem with issues of
2-butxoyethanol. I also have
articles related to many cases of
other conditions as well. It is just
that this is an Agent Orange support
forum and posting information which
IMPLIES Agent Orange gets blamed for
is a whole lot more than it can do"
is exactly what I heard in the
1970's. This was when I first became
involved in Agent Orange veterans
cases.
I have written and published
articles on: Benzene, Depleted
Uranium, ionization radiation,
non-ionization radiation,
Undiagnosed Illness of PGW veterans,
PTSD and a lot more. They are not
posted on this site, they are posted
elsewhere.
Please notice your article
was not deleted, edited, moved or
anything of that nature. It remains
intact. I am not a censor. My
statement to you is many people gave
up careers to bring the Agent Orange
issue to light. One was a VA
employee of many years ago. Maude
Victor a Veterans Benefit Councelor
who assisted veterans in fighting
the VA general response of Agent
Orange claims, "just say no!" She
was finally terminated. My own job
was threatened in 1983 and 1984 over
Agent Orange articles published in
veterans newspapers and magazines.
I simply ask you not to try to take
away what we worked so hard to
obtain.
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04068 (CA DPR
Chem Code) ,
1746-01-6 (CAS
Number) ,
1746016 ,
1746016 (CAS
Number) ,
2,3,7,8-TCDD (as
impurity or
contaminant) ,
2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-1,4-dioxin
,
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2,3,7,8-tetraclorodibenzo-p-dioxin
, 4068 (CA DPR
Chem Code) ,
600000 (US EPA
PC Code) ,
Dibenzo(b,e)(1,4)dioxin,
2,3,7,8-tetrachloro-
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2,3,7,8-tetrachloro-
(6CI, 7CI, 8CI)
, Dioxin
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Dioxin (as
impurity or
contaminant) ,
Dioxin2378TCDD ,
Dioxins ,
Polychlorinated
dibenzo-p-dioxins
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http://www.hazard.com/msds/f2/cby/cbylc.html
CAS:1746-01-6
DIBENZO-P-DIOXIN,
2,3,7,8-TETRACHLORO-;
(2,3,7,8-TETRACHLORODIBENZO-P-DIOXIN)
CAS:108-88-3
Ingred Name:TOLUENE
Hazards -
Reports of
Carcinogenicity:NTP:NO
IARC:NO OSHA:NO Health
Hazards Acute and
Chronic: ACUTE:
HARMFUL/FATAL IF
SWALLOWED. VAP HARMFUL
IF INHALED. SYMPS: HDCH,
DIZZ, HALLUCINATIONS,
DISTORTED PERCEPTIONS,
CHANGES IN MOTOR
ACTIVITY, NAUS, RESP
IRRIT, CNS DEPRESS,
UNCON, LIVER, KIDNEY &
LU NG DMG. CONT MAY
CAUSE SEV EYE IRRIT. MAY
CAUSE SKIN IRRIT.
CHRONIC:
TOLUENE APPEARS ON THE
NAVY (EFTS OF
OVEREXPOSURE)
Explanation of
Carcinogenicity:NOT
RELEVANT. Effects of
Overexposure:HLTH HAZ:
OCCUPATIONAL CHEMICAL
REPRODUCTIVE HAZARDS
LIST. Medical Cond
Aggravated by Exposure:
RESPIRATORY, LIVER AND
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DIOXIN MIX,
M-8280A --
6850-00N072524
CAS:1746-01-6
Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%
CAS:40321-76-4
Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%
CAS:39227-28-6
Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%
CAS:35822-46-9
Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%
CAS:3268-87-9
Fraction by Wt: 0.0005%
CAS:108-88-3
Toluene
Fraction by Wt:
99.99%
Toluene is a teratogen
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solvent, can
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EVOS
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2,2,6-Trimethyl-4H-1,3-Dioxin-4-One
Common Name: 1,4-Dioxane
CAS Number: 123-91-1 |
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