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Spontaneous Infertility is an
Autoimmune Condition
I never heard of this before; but it
would fit
the pattern of 2-butoxyethanol harm
& if so, stopping the autoimmune
function may restore?
Also found that Type 2 Diabetes is
on this list (source Lef.org) I
thought it should be because blood
sugar going high can be a 'right
now' sign of an acute exposure to
2-butoxyethanol. What causes high or
low blood pressure, I'm not sure,
but that could be a secondary harm,
too.
Actually, kids of parents harmed may
come up with some of these, too,
without directly having the
fatigue, that's my thought at
this time, anyway.
Why fatigue?
Anyone able to help figure this out?
immunoglobulin A, B and M. Since
I believe the immune dysfunction
(that of being autoimmune) is the
primary harm, maybe someone can
decipher this for the rest of us?
Did you hear recently about the
three soldiers who died after
'flu-like' symptoms? I really do
suspect
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Just curious, but may I ask if
you have any background in
medical/chemistry/haz-mat./bio-research
or such. If it's none of my
business, then no problem. I've
read several of your posts and
was just wondering what
influenced your opinions on the
chemicals and illnesses you keep
mentioning.
I do commend your concern
regarding possible connections
between certain materials and
resulting illnesses. I went
through haz-mat. training as a
young NCO and environmental
courses and spent about one year
as an environmental coordinator
tracking MSDS and accident
prevention/control and such
responsibilities in a heavy
armor brigade while I was
getting my staff time; so I have
a pretty good awareness that
some chemicals we use are pretty
harmful, whether from
accumulated exposure or
otherwise.
Now, about some of the theories
you're proposing. You make
several mentions of military
related cases and points. As a
service member, I feel able to
play devil's advocate with
confidence.
One of the chemicals you refer
to is 2-butoxyethanol. Let's say
that it is in fuels, solvents,
and generally in common
materials used by soldiers for
transportation and/or equipment
maintenance. (I know longer have
MSDS books, so if it is actually
in foot powder and pesticides or
paint and glue or whatever, then
correct me.) You say soldiers
returning from combat zones
suffer illness from exposure to
2-butoxyethanol while in that
combat zone. Like illnesses from
the Gulf War and Vietnam. Well,
practically nothing we use for
normal duty in combat is
anything different during war
than it is from training for
war. The same safety/handling
procedures, the same
safety/application equipment,
even the same amount of
exposure, is basically the same
during peace time. We train all
year every year with the same
stuff that we fight with. I
would say that petroleum, oils,
lubricants, solvents etc are not
the cause for these 'war
syndromes'. If so, your car
mechanic would have "Gulf War
illness".
You have to look for what is
present in combat zones that is
not in training areas. Examples:
Agent-orange in Vietnam. Hastily
de-milled chemical weapons and
experimental drugs in the gulf.
What is in Agent-orange? The
contents of chemical weapons is
mostly secret; not to mention
the hopeless record keeping from
Iraqis makes it uncertain what
exact weapons were destroyed in
that region. I bet those
experimental drug's contents is
not being made public. (I knew a
troop whose medical record had
"Desert Storm Dosage" written on
a page dated from '91. At that
time we talked about that in
'98, that was the only written
info he had on the pills his
unit was taking during that
war.)
Not only do you have to worry
about other services spraying
the air and ground with toxins
and being made to inadvertantly
ingest pills that the FDA never
heard of. Then there are the
bio-hazards in remote areas that
are unknown of. You wouldn't
think there would be many germs
thriving out in a sun-blasted,
bone-dry, wind-swept waste of
glabal surface space, but
apperntly there are; just about
everyone coming in gets sick
with something until their body
adjusts. It only gets worse when
you get up to those putrid
filthy cities and towns in Iraq.
I imagine Vietnam and other
places were just as dirty. A
body originating from a clean
American living is really
vulnerable when thrust into an
environment where sewage dries
in the street causing fecal dust
to be inhaled, flies come from
dead meat to your food, and mass
populations host
bacteria/viruses to be vectored
to you that don't exist in N.
America. Those are not Las Vegas
odds that some service members
will get their systems ravaged
by things that the docs have no
experience in America with
diagnosing.
So, IMO the chemicals you warn
of may be very bad, but there is
a lot of data pointing to other
sources for military illnesses.
Not saying you are wrong, but I
believe you need more proof.
If you are going to be heard by
decision makers, you need people
credited in that field you are
voicing opinions about who will
verify the data and propose
theories and courses of actions
that offer solutions.
"Coming to a table empty handed
is the worst way to get offered
a seat."
"No conculsion is ever final so
long as any possibility for
future research still exists."
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If so, your car
mechanic would have
"Gulf War illness" |
Yes, this is precisely what my
theory is.
And, by the way, it is more
likely the same chemical that is
the primary harm to the Vietnam
vet, based on the list of what
it causes &
the list I've seen shared on
what's happened to the Vietnam
vet.
Dioxin is getting way too much
hype, for what it would
actually do.
So, if this chemical has been
harming people in and out of the
military & in and out of war
time, for that matter, why was
the gulf war 90-91 such a stand
out? Because the scuds and
Patriot Missles
spewed the rocket propellants in
the air, and contaminated
many. Worst exposure is vapors
in the eyes. Plus the 'usual'
I have no influence. I have no
proof, other than 'anecdotal'
info. But I hope people who do
have these will look into
the whole picture, and start
recognizing what
2-butoxyethanol does do.
And that we can stop exposures
to those who don't have to go
down this road.
Like these 3 soldiers who died
recently. That's what I
suspect caused their harm,
though I do not know in what
fashion they came across it.
And that we can
find help for the autoimmune
immune system
Since type 2 diabetes is also
autoimmune, and shows up later
in life, as do brain
tumors....probably a thing for
baby boomers of WWII soldiers,
etc (& non military) to deal
with (?)
Proof....
what are the biomarkers of this
chemical's harm? At a
minimum immature red blood
cells; blood in urine in early
years ... and a retic rate that
goes high and over the years ...
low ... but not much of any
change in the CBC or basic blood
info. That's why they don't find
THE FATIGUE
Thanks for your interest &
hoping you can "take the ball"
farther than I
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