| Navy Man, 1992
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Navy Man
86-92
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September 06, 2000
I have served in the
navy from 86-92. I
was never deployed
to the gulf but yet
have similar
problems that the
one's who were I've
gone to the VA
hospital but all i
get is the
runaround. I've gone
to regular doctors
who have run blood
test after blood
test but found
nothing that
explains the
symptoms that I am
having I feel trap
with these problems
because they won't
go away. I have
applied social
security, but I
don't like it.
I have had good jobs
but had to give them
up because of my
illness that no one
seems to find. I
have two little
girls and my wife
who seem to be
coming down with
similar problems .
My wife was also
suppose to have a
baby that we lost at
3 month into it. I
am afraid to another
one for fear that I
might lose that one
or it comes out
deformed.
I have had weird
mood swings that I
can't explain, all I
wish for is that the
doctors could give
me something that
would cure me so
that I could live a
normal life. So I
ask for help from
other veterans who
are suffering from
runaround that VA
and our gov't has
given.
god bless!
Mark |
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If we are going to
find the cause of so
many of our
autoimmune issues
and harm to military
and housewife alike,
we are going to have
to take a look at
how their harm is
similar & look
for the common
denominator: CFIDS
fatigue!
I suspect
2-butoxyethanol
overexposure through
the decades is the
culprit.
A more serious look
at Chronic Fatigue
Immune Dysfunction
or symptoms is most
likely there, too
... if not directly,
as a birth defect
from someone in the
family
And we need to
understand the
strong second hand
solvent exposure
that 2-butoxyethanol
has.
Margaret e-mail
margaret.realhelp@gmail.com
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Army 1993 -
similar in 2000
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My fiancé was not in
the Gulf War - he
enlisted in the Army
in the spring of '93
- but he is
questioning some of
the "immunizations"
he was given. About
a year and a half
ago, he began having
these episodes that
resembled being
drunk. He would
become emotional,
irrational, his
speech would be
incoherent, he would
lose his sense of
balance, and his
breath would become
very sweet.
Sometimes he would
also vomit or
pass out. These
episodes would last
for anywhere from 30
minutes to hours. At
first we thought it
was diabetes, but
the tests his
doctors ran came
back negative for
diabetes. His
doctors told him to
just keep a healthy
diet, but that
didn't help.
Then 6 months ago
he started having
diarrhea several
times a day,
which doctors
attributed to a
hyper-active gall
bladder. He also
started having these
back spasms that
would put him on the
floor for hours. He
also gets migraines
periodically. A few
weeks ago he passed
out during one of
the "drunk"
episodes, and he
actually had a
seizure. Doctors are
now looking at a
neurological answer
for his problems,
which they are
labeling as
seizures. They say
it may be from head
trauma he
experienced during a
jump (he was in the
82nd Airborne div.).
We are now wondering
if it may be from an
experimental
"immunization" the
govt. tested on Army
personnel - I know
none of you would
put it past them!
Does anyone else out
there have these
problems, too?
Julie Fandrich on
August 22, 2000
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My question, "What was he
doing when the diarrhea started up?
This is one symptom
of a new exposure to
2-butoxyethanol, in particular.
Was there blood in urine?
2.5 days later was there an
elevated
'retic ratio?' |
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A Navy Man -
Autoimmune Issues
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Is it really worth
fighting the VA for Gulf
War Syndrome? It seems
to me they just want to
identify you to ridicule
you and deny you
benefits. I served in
the Navy from July 76
until Jul 96 when I
finally retired with my
full 20 as a Chief Fire
Controlman FCC (SW). I
went out after spending
nine of my last 12
months of active duty on
limited duty. In July of
1995 I had a doctor who
had been after me to go
on limited duty for
about six months and
after getting a complete
a$$hole for an XO I took
him up on his offer. At
the time I was having
problems with weakness
in my left arm, (MRI's
showed a herniated disc
in my neck and a couple,
out of many, nerve tests
showed some pinching of
a nerve) at the same
time I was seeing a
rheumatologist for
joint/muscle aches,
headaches and what they
called DIMS ( Diminished
ability to Induce and
Maintain Sleep). Mind
you I had been hiding
the joint and muscle
pain for years in fear
of getting a medical
retirement. During the
course of the exams I
was having the doctor
was having a hard time
locating reflexes in my
left arm so he sent me
to Bethesda to see a
neuro surgeon so off my
wife and I went. During
the exam in Bethesda the
doctor told me he was
unable to get any
reflexs anywhere in my
body to react at all. He
believed I had Multiple
Sclerosis (MS) and
should go back to my
doctor in Mayport. I
went back to FL and my
Doctor did a spinal tap
( man talk about the
mother of all head
aches) and ruled out MS,
in the mean time I was
diagnosed with
fibromyalgia. I was sent
to Charleston on 9 month
TAD orders to be close
to my family, went back
to Florida for 3 months,
finished out my 20 and
retired, no retirement
ceremony or party, no
end of service award, no
thank you for your
service, no transition
assistance program, no
benefits briefing ,
nothing, just one day I
wore a uniform and the
next day I didn't.
After I retired I
approached civilian life
just like I did military
I worked hard to be
successful. But things
were getting harder and
harder. When I first got
out I applied for
benefits for my neck and
I had bad knees as well
as sinus surgery, knee
surgery and a rebuilt
ankle. I continued to
work hard ( as a
Realtor). Being a
successful Realtor takes
long hours, working 60+
hour weeks and never
having a day off. You
have to be there when
your clients are ready,
day night or afternoon,
weekday or weekend. So
please all of you
appreciate what your
Realtor does for you.
Any way after a while
the body aches became to
much and I was not able
to put in the hours I
once was able to. The
fatigue was getting to
me and there began to be
days that I just could
not function. I asked
fro an increase in my
compensation fro
fibromyalgia (which at
the time was only 10%)
and I began to go to Voc
Rehab training because I
knew I would not be able
to continue the long
hours Real Estate
required to earn a
living. In In Jan 2003 I
became ill and was
having severe pain when
breathing, my doctors
took some x-rays and
decided I had pneumonia
and treated me with 10
days of antibiotics, a
follow up appointment
showed no improvement,
they then started
another course of
stronger antibiotics.
Another follow up with
no improvements. The
x-ray showed a large
amount of fluid on my
left lung. My doctor
took me aside and
explained to me what was
going on. He had
consulted with another
doctor and I was going
to have to go into the
hospital for some test
to rule out TB and
cancer. I went in, they
drained 900ml off my
left lung. Spent 10 days
in hospital. Tets were
neg for TB and cancer.
Was out of hospital for
10 days when it all
started to happen again.
This time fluid was too
thick to drain and I
ended up with having my
chest spread open and
having lung surgery to
remove the mess. I spent
4 days in ICU and 10
more days in hospital. I
now have only about 50%
lung capacity.
Subsequent follow up
with the consulting
rheumatologist shows it
was an autoimmune attack
due to unspecified
rheumatoid disease. I
had a similar episode in
1985 but the doctor ( an
internist) was never
able to figure out what
happened. I applied for
benefits based on that
and of course the VA
denied my claim. They
say there is no service
connection and it is
probably related to the
fibromyalgia for which I
already receive
compensation. I asked my
doctor to review my
active duty service
record which he did and
he pointed out several
things that were over
looked and why my
current illness was
undiagnosed while on
active duty, that there
were signs of it going
all the way back to 1979
and that it was
completely separate from
my fibromyalgia. I
filled an appeal and
have another C&P exam
with the VA in a week. I
am currently rated at
70% ( they dropped me
from 80 to 70 because
they said that even
though I now have 2 more
herniated discs in my
neck and one more in my
back my degenerative
disc disease is getting
better). I am hoping to
finally get a 100%
rating because due to my
illness and the side
effect of the meds I
take I have been unable
to work since May of 03.
I now suffer from near
constant muscle/joint
pain, fatigue,
depression, headaches (
that can last as long as
a month at a time), have
trouble sleeping,
morning stiffness, and
fogginess. I tried for
Social Security ( on my
own) with out knowing
the system and was
turned down. hey told me
to go back to Real
Estate. So much for the
government you protected
supporting you. I was
too embarrassed to
appeal. I guess I should
try again.
How does all this tie
into the Gulf War. I was
over there aboard ship
but I never figured I
was effected by GWS. I
was over there long
after the peak of
hostilities were over (
first half of 93). Of
course we got an array
of shots and pills prior
to deployment but I
don't know where my shot
record is and there is
nothing in my medical
record. As a Fire
Control man I worked on
the Navy's Close In
Weapons System (CIWS)
which fired 20mm DU
rounds. We fired the
rounds all the time and
of course had to clean
the gun and police up
the deck for the sabots
and debris as well as
daily exposure to the
magazine. This of course
meant exposure to
solvents when cleaning
the gun and its systems.
Shipboard life naturally
meant some exposure to
pesticides because the
corpsman would have to
routinely spray for
pests. How much if any
of this can or has
attributed to where I am
today I don't know but
is it worth going to the
VA and having them poke
and probe me even more
then they have? Is it
worth them trying to
discredit what I have
already fought so hard
for? It seems to me the
people who would have
the most exposure were
the ground troops
involved in the actual
ground war. Believe I
could be wrong as I am
as far from being a
knowledge source as one
can be. It just seems
that the VA should be
there to support the
Veterans not to make
their lives a nightmare.
The worst part is is
that it seems like no
one cares. We are
yesterdays garbage set
out to the curb for
collection and disposal.
brokendown&old Jan, 2005
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As a Fire Controlman I
worked on the Navy's
Close In Weapons Sysytem
(CIWS) which fired 20mm
DU rounds. We fired the
rounds all the time and
of course had to clean
the gun and police up
the deck for the sabots
and debris as well as
daily exposure to the
magazine. This of course
meant exposure to
solvents when cleaning
the gun and its systems.
Shipboard life naturally
meant some exposure to
pesticides because the
corpsman would have to
routinely spray for
pests. |
My dad was also FCC in the Navy
in WWII.
He, I believe, had this chemical
exposure I'm concerned about. I
think it is in bomb fumes that
get in your eyes; also it is
what guns are cleaned with, most
likely. Based on his death at
about age 62 (too young too die)
and the changes in his
personality/health ... and some
minor birth defects me and my
brother have ... I do believe
that the syndrome X and diabetes
that I showed up for me in
recent years ...is a late to
show up birth defect. Some
thoughts on this here:
Why the epidemic of DIABETES in
WWII nations?
For the muscle weakness you
shared on ...
Could it be CIDP?
In the advance or acute stage it
is what Pres FDR had (goes by
another name). He didn't have
polio, but the acute (instead of
chronic) version of CIDP
Why I think Pres FDR was exposed
to bomb fumes of WWI
when he was Assist Sect of the
Navy & got as close to the front
lines as they would let him.
About that time the male tanks
were brought into the war ...
then in 1918 the 'Spanish flu"
that killed millions.
General Dynamics wants to test
these old things in a new
package
& shoot them off beyond our town
in Jan/Feb of 07. Scares me a
lot
The autoimmune issue you relate
is VERY significant!
I think the Presumptive list
should be for all military from
WWI to the present (excluding
Agent Orange 'for sures')
Hawk asked about gulf war vet,
Chad Pagel, of Indiana. Last I
heard he was going in for tumor
removal in his nasal passages
8-6-05. I have not heard from
him. Since
he shared a few months prior
that his liver & bone marrow was
failing
and they had him on mega drugs
... I'm concerned that he might
not be alive. But I don't know
that.
He has asked me to look through
his medical records and that of
his buddy who died about
Christmas, 04. I believe they
would both show the signs
of CFIDS - which would be a
biormarker
of
2-butoxyethanol poisoning
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