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How Should we clean up oil spills?
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Have we learned anything from EVOS?
If you have input, it is requested by November 15, 2004
regarding the following proposal:

New Report Available -
"Advancing Oil Spill Response in Ice-Covered Waters"

U.S. Arctic Research Commission (USARC)
Prince William Sound Oil Spill Recovery Institute (OSRI)


The report can be downloaded from:
http://www.pws-osri.org/ (what's new)
http://www.pws-osri.org/whatsnew/news/Draft_OSRI_Science_Plan.pdf 88 pages

or http://www.arctic.gov/ (publications)


This was my input a year ago: 10-15-03

I know more now.


2-butoxyethanol harm is rampant in our society and unrecognized as the primary suspect for 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms such as CFIDS and Chronic Fatigue and CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM damage!

In what ways are you allowing a product with 2-butoxyethanol to be used in the future?
In particular Corexit? www.valdezlink.com/pages/eo.htm


Is Simple Green really non-toxic ... ?  http://www.ragereport.com/phpbb/nfphpbb/viewtopic.php?p=23029#23029



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oil spill cleanup - Public input, please
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ArcticInfo <arcticinfo@list.arcus.org> wrote:

Request for Public Comment
Science Plan
Prince William Sound Oil Spill Recovery Institute (OSRI)

For further information, please go to:
http://www.pws-osri.org/

The Science Plan is available at:
http://www.pws-osri.org/whatsnew/index.shtml

-----------------------------------------
BACKGROUND
The Oil Pollution Act of 1990 (OPA 90) established the Prince William
Sound Oil Spill Recovery Institute (OSRI), to be administrated through
the Prince William Sound Science Center (PWSSC) located in Cordova,
Alaska. OSRI functions to conduct research and carry out educational
and demonstration projects designed to

1)
identify and develop the best available techniques, equipment, and
materials for dealing with oil spills in the Arctic and Subarctic marine environment;

and 2)
complement Federal and State damage assessment efforts and determine, document, assess, and understand the long range effects of Arctic or Subarctic oil spills on the natural resources of Prince William Sound and its adjacent waters, and the environment, the economy, and the lifestyle and well-being of the people who are dependent on them, except that the Institute shall not conduct studies or make recommendations on any matter which is not directly related to Arctic or Subarctic oil spills or the effects thereof.

The Advisory Board for the Prince William Sound Oil Spill Recovery
Institute invites public comment on a document describing a long term
Science Plan. Numerous partnership opportunities have arisen in the
past year with potential for leveraging OSRI funds without compromising
either the legislated mandates or core OSRI goals. The strategic plan
described in the Science Plan is intended to provide guidance for OSRI
supported research, education, and demonstration projects that will
maximize these opportunities for partnerships.

This Science Plan describes the OSRI program specifically for the 2005
OSRI fiscal year, 1 October 2004 to 30 September 2005, and generally
for years 2006 through 2010. OSRI is scheduled to be discontinued by 2012.

Please address your comments to:
Dr. Carl Schoch, Director
Prince William Sound Oil Spill Recovery Institute
PO Box 705
300 Breakwater Avenue
Cordova, AK 99574

E-mail: cschoch@pwssc.gen.ak.us

For further information, please go to:
http://www.pws-osri.org/

The Science Plan is available at:
http://www.pws-osri.org/whatsnew/index.shtml


Note: From what I understand, a warehouse of 'Corexit' barrels are scheduled to be stored and ready for use again, in that area, too ... in case of another oil spill ... and these are the cleanup chemicals of choice. I can't think of anything more horrible - Margaret
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To: cschoch@pwssc.gen.ak.us

I noticed the request for public comment on future oil spill cleanup

Have there been any studies on use of Corexit - Harm to people transporting, using, etc?

I looked into that chemical composit and it is 38% 2-butoxyethanol

It is not safe for man or mammal

I hope it is not true that you have plans to stockpile 'Corexit' at Cordova

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Rockefeller, Kennedy, Goodall comment
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A man from Alaska Forum for Environmental Responsibility had the book available and in hand yesterday ... so for a donation of $50, I have a copy of SOUND TRUTH & CORPORATE MYTH$! I'm looking forward to reading it, and hearing one of Dr. Ott's interviews

These comments on the back cover:

Jane Goodall PhD, DBD, UN Messenger of Peace "Important! Chilling! Courageous! ... If you care about life on earth you must read this book. ... and do your bit to force Exxon to compensate its victims and revise its safety measures. We must join forces to safeguard our planet from the effects of chemical poisons and global climate change."

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. President, Waterkeeper Alliance ""This book doesn't just change our view of the Exxon Valdez spill; it forces us to dramatically reassess the risks from petroleum and the enormous costs that industry is imposing on our health and planet."

David Rockeffeller, Jr. Businessman and Philanthropist "Riki Ott brings on-the-water experience, scientific knowledge, eloquence, personal courage and great determination to the task of writing Sound Truth and Corporate Myth$. I first met her in the mid-nineties on her fising boat in Cordova, Alaska. On paper and in person, she is the same dedicated professional, sounding the bell for justice when others would rather not go to the trouble. As an Exxon shareholder, I sincerely hope this book hits home."
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The Alaska Forum for Environmental Responsibility (Alaska Forum) is dedicated to holding industry and government accountable to the laws designed to safeguard Alaska`s environment, worker saftey, and public health.
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P.O. Box 188
Valdez, AK 99686

Phone: 907-835-5460
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Pray for healing for workers
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I listened to the 700 Club last night and there was special prayer for HEALING for those with FM, 'leaky gut,' spleen and white and red blood cell production problems. I was praying along with them ... hoping for a miracle for these because that is the seriousness of this 2-butoxyethanol poisoning.

Often I agree with this woman's prayer & say the Lord's Prayer for these who are harmed from 2-butoxyethanol.

The book of Dr. Riki Ott focuses on the environment and does mention some of the workers who she knows that were harmed.

Well, I say the medical profession needs some new outlooks on how to find the red blood cell damage before it would show up in the hemoglobin and hematocrit ... to give them an acurate diagnosis on the fatigue.

I say that their harm is findable, thus provable.

and I say that they need God 's intervention to give them their life back and heal them
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Re: Written from a biologist's view
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caldric wrote:
Sounds like chemicals used to clean up the mess are more harmful then the oil. But either way it is tragic but I have doubts any one knew ahead of time. Conspiracy is great for the bar but in the courts you need evidence and conspiracy theories rarely provide evidence. I am not sure after reading the post what the point of the book is?

Too bad he seems to be biased or perhaps I would read his book. But he has an agenda and that ruins it. The title says a thousand words.



I have been waiting until I could read the book to reply to this post. I originally saw it on the valdezlink web site, and registered to this forum specifically to respond.

I have recently read Sound Truth and Corporate Myths, and the only part of your quote that I can agree with is that the title DOES say a thousand words -- about corporate greed and how big companies are able to buy media while the people with real inforamtion are slapped with gag orders.

Living in Cordova since before the spill, I know many of the people who worked on the spill and many whose stories are told in this book. I personally stayed in town because I had a family with small children to care for. But I remember how many people came home sick, and how there were rumors of tuberculosis and all sorts of nasty stuff going around once people started getting sick from the chemicals and the oil.

Anyway, back to the book. The author devotes ten chapters to the plight of sick workers -- from the chemicals they were exposed to, to the way Exxon avoided reporting illnesses. It is disgusting our how "justice system" treated the few who actually filed suit.

Another ten chapters are dedicated towards the long term scientific studies that were conducted in Prince William Sound. Many of these studies incoroprated what was cutting edge technology at the time-- developed right here in PWS-- and those technologies are now standard. The book compares the methods of the long term studies to those used by Exxon scientists, showing how Exxon manipulated data to achieve their desired results.

The thing about this book is that it's not just a lot of hot air. There are tons of references--- close to a thousand. Somewhere around 500 white papers, plus court records and interviews went into this book. So you can go back and look up to see if the stuff is really true.

Author bias? It's hardly a claim a person could logically make without first reading the book. It does tell the story from the perspective of those who were affected by the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill, if that can be perceived as a bias.

The book has a web site, http://www.soundtruth.info/ Oh and also if you order the book from your local bookstore it is $24.95

I would be interested in hearing from other people who have actually read the book, what they think about it, the level of accuracy etc. Or even if people think there is a bias and why. But just saying that "obviously" the author has a bias (and the author is a woman btw) is insufficient, I think.

One other thing, someone mentioned that Dr. Ott testified for hours and hours about biology in front of congress, or something like that. She did a presentation here in Cordova and actually, it's really interesting. She makes the subject very understandable for people who aren't scientists.

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Thank you for sharing
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WELCOME!

It is sad that what was tried in Prince Wm Sound is being replicated. Most agree that it was the winter storms that did more to 'clean up' the oil spill aftermath. Gail Phillips said that she was sorry we didn't have the courage to burn the ship & oil, too. The loss to the environment and to humanity would have been less, I'm sure.

My Favorite Quotes and News Articles

In her book I noticed photos of the deformed backs of some of the herring born since 'the experiment' Add the reproductive harm to the fact that they were bleeding through their scales, they couldn't swim straight, and per some biologists' reports, they didn't have bladders (kidneys) that leads me to suspect it was not as much the oil effects as the 2-butoxyethanol which would cause skin, blood, cantral nervous system, kidney and reproductive harm. I personally beleive it was the 1993 herring running through a pool of this 'cleanup chemical' that caused their demise.

MORE: Do you think that it is harmful in any way?

I remember noticing the density of inipol EAP 22 used during EVOS was .9 (less than one) and I was told that meant that it could be absorbed directly into the cells

"Exxon cautioned that inipol EAP 22 could be absorbed through skin"

Question: The literature says the density of inipol EAP 22 is .9 - being less than water, would that mean it would be absorbed into cells more easily?

This is what the Exxon Chemist, Roger Prince, said about Inipol EAP 22. It wasn't even on the internet, but I got a faxed copy from a governmental agent that had quoted it, and then typed it up and made this web page of it

I noticed in the book that Inipol EAP 22 is no longer a choice at EPA (?) However, Corexit, which wasn't selected for use ... & which had 38% 2-butocyethanol instead of 12% ... is being used. AND last I heard, there is a stockpile of this horrible stuff scheduled for Cordova; there are stockpiles in Anchorage, in Valdez. This is NOT good.

What about Corexit?

My Concern today - Do NOT STOCKPILE Corexit - anywhere