Check ethylene glycol ether exposures, too
Boy, that does seem really odd.

We take our skin organ for granted don't we? When you are checking reactions to things, you might include what cleaning & maintenance products you use. Many have 2-butoxyethanol (aka ethylene glycol monobutyl ether) and when you have been around too much, it causes a rash. This rash can go away, and then when you get too much of any chemical in your system (even medications) it can signal your body that 'you had better stop that'

Use this chart to check for this chemical in things you could be using every day CAS #111-76-2 and for its compound form 112-34-5 Any concentration 5% & more is not safe for home use; maybe 2.5% on the complex version.

If you must use them (not recommended by EPA & CA study done ... avoid if possible) be sure to have ventilation equivalent to outdoors; and wear goggles and chemical retardant gloves.

Sounds like you had too much chemical exposure in the second shot you got. A friend of mine told me that long years ago her sister had an alergic reaction to penicillin. When she told her doctor he ignored her complaint and gave her another shot of it; the family believes it caused her to have lupus & she was ill ever since then.

 

DGO1223 
 
 
Re: Severe Itching, Rash, Brought on by weird things

Just a thought here; sometimes this kind of reaction can be a precursor to an auto-immune disorder, of which there are several, some not so good.

Do a search on it and see if any of it may fit you.

Donna
Genabeena 
 
 
 
 
Re: Severe Itching, Rash, Brought on by weird things

One more quick note- my immunologist does think that this is a sort of malfunction of my immune system and definitely not an allergy. Chronic cases are generally not thought to be allergy related at all (as I've gathered from my research). The way he explained it was that the hives are one of the body's natural defenses against illness, and although it can't be explained why this has happened, my immune system somehow went into overdrive and just keeps misfiring again and again.
May be immune problem?

As Donna shared & as you ...

... for the chemical that I've learned about, yes immune system is 'out of whack' I expect the fatigue to be acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia, so your body (immune system) is killing off your own red blood cells prematurely. As long as bone marrow compensates it doesn't show up much in the red blood cell counts; but the immature red blood cells are low functioning. Check some of these sources of exposure to 2-butoxyethanol

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144758&page=3&pp=5

Continued here

 


  American Gulf War Veterans Association
  Gulf War Illness
  Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans.

  

Author Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans.
Gale
Administrator
March 11, 2004 
Source

1: J Clin Immunol. 2004 Jan;24(1):66-73. Links


Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans.

Skowera A, Hotopf M, Sawicka E, Varela-Calvino R, Unwin C, Nikolaou V, Hull L, Ismail K, David AS, Wessely SC, Peakman M.

Department of Immunobiology, King's & St. Thomas' School of Medicine, King's College London, London, UK.

The etiology and pathology of illnesses related to the first Persian Gulf War are unclear. Among the constellation of symptoms noted in sick veterans, some, such as skin rashes, musculoskeletal pains, and neuropsychiatric problems, have been proposed to reflect an underlying immune dysfunction. In this study we explored the hypothesis that sickness following deployment to the Gulf in 1991 is associated with altered immune function, and we examine possible associated exposures. In particular, we focused on peripheral blood Th1/Th2 balance by measuring intracellular production of IFN-gamma, IL-2 (Th1), IL-4 (Th2), and IL-10 by CD4 T cells, using a nested case control study design within a large epidemiological survey. We compared symptomatic Gulf War veterans (sGWV) with well GWVs (wGWV), and a second control group of symptomatic veterans who served in Bosnia or were nondeployed military personnel of the same era. We found evidence for an altered immune status in sGWV in comparison to the other study groups. In particular, ongoing Th1-type immune activation was associated with multisymptom illness in GWVs, with sick veterans having significantly elevated levels of IFN-gamma and IL-2 producing CD4+ cells in the absence of in vitro stimulation compared with wGWVs ( P = 0.01 and P =0.001). In vitro polyclonal activation revealed significantly elevated levels of IL-10 producing memory CD4 cells in sGWVs ( P <0.001), but other cytokines were normal. In terms of possible exposures that might influence immune function, we found a trend for reduced levels of IFN-gamma producing cells after polyclonal activation with increasing numbers of vaccines administered ( P <0.05) but no changes in other cytokines. These data show that multisymptom illness in Gulf War veterans is characterized by ongoing Th1-type immune activation and a biased generation of memory cells secreting the suppressor cytokine, IL-10.

PMID: 14997036 [PubMed - in process]

mark
March 11, 2004 
In Laymen's terms what does it all mean.  Is the vaccines at fault or what?
Mark A
USN
Author MS investigation
ncvet
March 09, 2004
Does anyone know if there are any plans by the VA,DOD, to do an investigation about people having MS and being in the Gulf? I am a member of another board MSVets and there are over 400 members on the board who have MS that were in the Gulf. Just curious if anyone has seen or heard of anything. thanks.
Mother Margaret
March 09, 2004
It would seem to fit the pattern: some damage to the nervous system, especially the central nervous system and lowered immune system anyway, and this is one dignosis that is in that category
quote:
(along with difficulty sleeping at night; difficulty concentrating, short term memory loss, CNS depression, 'fly off the handle' personality changes, & suicidal tendencies)

Per this source http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/57/66107.htm

 

quote:
What Is Multiple Sclerosis? MS is an autoimmune disease, whereby the body's immune system, which normally targets and destroys substances foreign to the body such as bacteria, mistakenly attacks normal tissues. In MS, the immune system attacks the brain and spinal cord, the two components of the central nervous system.

The central nervous system is made up of nerves that act as the body's messenger system. Each nerve is covered by a fatty substance called myelin, which insulates the nerves and helps in the transmission of nerve impulses, or messages, between the brain and other parts of the body. These messages control muscle movements, such as walking and talking.

MS gets its name from the buildup of scar tissue (sclerosis) in the brain and/or spinal cord. The scar tissue or plaques form when the protective and insulating myelin covering the nerves is destroyed, a process called demyelination. Without the myelin, electrical signals transmitted throughout the brain and spinal cord are disrupted or halted. The brain then becomes unable to send and to receive messages. It is this breakdown of communication that causes the symptoms of MS.

Although the nerves can regain myelin, this process is not fast enough to outpace the deterioration that occurs in MS. The types of symptoms, severity of symptoms, and the course of MS vary widely, partly due to the location of the scar tissue and the extent of demyelination.

Multiple sclerosis affects 350,000 Americans and is, with the exception of trauma, the most frequent cause of neurological disability beginning in early to middle adulthood. MS is twice as common in females as in males and its occurrence is unusual before adolescence. A person has an increased risk of developing the disease from the teen years to age 35 with the risk gradually declining thereafter.

What Causes MS? No one is sure what causes the body's immune system to go awry


Mother Margaret
March 12, 2004
Scott shares more
http://www.valdezlink.com/gwv/scott.htm

This is a back up copy of this topic posted on Patriot Files

kansasvet
March 12, 2004
The national Gulf War Resource Center is working on this.

There are some of us veterans going to DC to go to the hill after the conference to try and get the reps to do some work on this issue.
www.kansasvets.org

 

Author  Immunoglobulin A, B, and M what are they?
headhunter25
March 04, 2004
Just a quick question for all the guru's out there. My value for M ws really low and highlighted in bold by the lab. The range value is 40 to 230 and mine was 29 L. Just wondering what all that means.

Headhunter25
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Mother Margaret
March 05, 2004
From a definition found on the internet:

 

quote:
Immunoglobulin A Deficiency:
Synonyms and related keywords: immunodeficiency, selective IgA deficiency, selective immunoglobulin A deficiency, primary antibody deficiencies, primary antibody deficiency, antibody deficiency, IgAD, immunodeficiency disease, sinopulmonary infection, sinus infection, otitis media, stomach cancer, Giardia lamblia, G lamblia, Helicobacter pylori, H pylori, GI cancer, gastrointestinal disease, GI disease, Crohn disease, upper respiratory tract infection, lower respiratory tract infection, chronic diarrhea, transfusion complication, blood product reaction, adverse transfusion reaction
To continue: "Secretory IgA antibodies can neutralize viruses, bind toxins, agglutinate bacteria, prevent bacteria from binding to mucosal epithelial cells, and bind to various food antigens, thus preventing their entry into the general circulation. The role of serum IgA is unclear."

"IgAD is a primary immunodeficiency disease presumed to result from a failure of terminal differentiation in IgA-positive B cells. Multipotent hematopoietic stem cells give rise to progenitors of T cells, B cells, and natural killer cells."

"The development of B-lineage cells begins in the fetal liver. B-lineage cell development then transfers to the bone marrow when it becomes the major hematopoietic organ. Pre–B cells become immature immunoglobulin M (IgM)–positive B cells and then migrate from the bone marrow to lymph node germinal centers. After leaving the bone marrow, the B cells mature and express immunoglobulin D receptors, respond to antigens, and, with the help of T cells (CD4+), undergo proliferation and plasma cell differentiation (International Union of Immunological Societies, 1999)."

Source: http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1159.htm

headhunter25
March 05, 2004
I looked up some things on the internet about it. It is noted that Immunoglobulin M deficiency is very rare. Less than 0.03% of the international population. It is also fatal to infants, young children and can be in adults. Maybe that's why I get pluracy often? I get it almost every winter. I also wonder if it's because I have mycoplasma infection in my body? I can't understand why my nuero guy didn't pick up on this. My wife has been in the hospitial for surgery so I went over my med recs while waiting and saw it. Any info will be helpful.

Headhunter25
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Mother Margaret
Member
March 05, 2004
In sharing your question with 'Mike' his comments are:

"The immunoglobulin molecule: That's a rather complex molecule! Well, the lymph nodes crank out this protein molecule to go after foreign bodies in an organism.

Too low numbers found in a blood test just means that particular means of defense is too low, possibly in decline.

Something is impeding the lymphs; bad nutrition, poisoning, old age, etc. Trick is to discover what caused such a condition.
I suspect you're on the path to connect that ester-alcohol solvent C6H14O2/CH3(CH2)2CH2OCH2CH2OH to lymph damage. Since the liver is definitely damaged with that substance just like longterm metalysis of ethanol, follows other organs will suffer as well."

I met Mike Simmons when he gave permission to use some of his 'pianodude' music to the website I was working on.

Then he added this http://www.valdezlink.com/media-ak/Exxon_Valdez_Movie.swf

Turns out he knows about various chemicals and their effects, too!

Pam
March 07, 2004
Then someone explain to me Igg. Had high Igg to epstien barr 960, and high Igg to herpes 1 or 2 600+. I was told these are intibodies to the viruses. And that Igm would indicate current active infection.
Mother Margaret
March 07, 2004
Pam, is this the same thing?
quote:
IgG: Immunoglobulin G, a major class of immunoglobulins found in the blood, including many of the most common antibodies circulating in the blood. Also known as gamma globulin.

MERCK medical dictionary has some pretty good definitions, check this chapter on immune: THE MERCK MANUAL, Sec. 12, Ch. 146, Biology Of The Immune System and

THE MERCK MANUAL, Sec. 11, Ch. 145, Aids-Associated Hematologic Disorders And Malignancies

If the level is high, then your immune system is doing pretty well? You can help everyone out by checking into it and letting us know if you learn something more

Mother Margaret
March 07, 2004
PS

Could this be an autoimmune thing going on?

If your system is out of balance, such as what I expect to be found eventually for those with hemolytic anemia from 2-butoxyethanol or diethylene glycol monobutyl ether ...

I would expect it to be diagnosed as acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia

3-14-04

These are good points - check red blood cells  cont

Quote:
Originally Posted by CheerAngel on healthboards.com
I can agree with your immunologist in that when it is chronic idiopathic urticaria, it is usually not an allergy but something else. Usually it is a symptom of an illness, and some illness that can be associated with hives are autoimmune problems like lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, thyroid problems... etc. Autoimmune means that the bodies antibodies attacks itself for no apparent reasons.
There is a good thread on immune stuff that one of the gulf war vet discussion forums has going - worth searching for on the internet (or is it OK to give the site? - It's not .gov or .org but privately seeking answers as these sites would)

If you have other odd symptoms, too, you might check into the package of 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms as low immune system is part of it; if you do I would check whether red blood cell production is out of whack as it would be with 2-butoxyethanol poisoning. Retic ratio is only about $50 & what may not show up in blood counts - most likely will in that test.

This chemical eventually will damage you so badly that you end up with hemolytic anemia (your immune system is attacking your red blood cells and they are 'dying off' prematurely) You didn't say anything about fatigue. That is the symptom for this damage.  - 'Dear Maggie'

 
  
 
03-14-2004
Dear Maggie 
 
 
Not sleeping at night is part of symptoms

I'm glad you are open to this possibility. The not sleeping at night is also part of the package of symptoms (this is central nervous system damage)

In your search there is some information for workers of the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup ... as it was the chemical of harm for the bioremediation workers & almost anyone else nearby (anniversary of spill is March 24)

After that check out what the gulf war syndrome vets are dealing with. They also have a discussion forum with some of this info. They are not that interested as they have a jillion things that could have harmed them ... and after millions of dollars in multiple studies, they don't have anything that is absolutely definitive. BUT they were also exposed to 2-butoxyethanol and 2(2-butoxyethanol) and this chemical all by itself causes all of the gulf war syndrome symptoms. But know what? It has not been studied at all!

3-14-04