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Check ethylene glycol ether exposures, too
Boy, that does seem really odd.
We take our skin organ for granted don't we? When you are checking
reactions to things, you might include what cleaning & maintenance
products you use. Many have 2-butoxyethanol (aka ethylene glycol
monobutyl ether) and when you have been around too much, it causes a
rash. This rash can go away, and then when you get too much of any
chemical in your system (even medications) it can signal your body
that 'you had better stop that'
Use
this chart to check for this chemical in things you could be using
every day CAS #111-76-2 and for its compound form 112-34-5 Any concentration
5% & more is not safe for home use; maybe 2.5% on the complex
version.
If you must use them ( not
recommended by EPA & CA study done ... avoid if possible) be
sure to have ventilation equivalent to outdoors; and wear goggles and
chemical retardant gloves.
Sounds like you had too much chemical exposure in the second shot you
got. A friend of mine told me that long years ago her sister had an
alergic reaction to penicillin. When she told her doctor he ignored
her complaint and gave her another shot of it; the family believes it
caused her to have lupus & she was ill ever since then.
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Re: Severe Itching, Rash, Brought on by weird things
Just a thought here; sometimes this kind of reaction can be a
precursor to an auto-immune disorder, of which there are
several, some not so good.
Do a search on it and see if any of it may fit you.
Donna
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Re: Severe Itching, Rash, Brought on by weird things
One more quick note- my immunologist does think that this is a
sort of malfunction of my immune system and definitely not an
allergy. Chronic cases are generally not thought to be allergy
related at all (as I've gathered from my research). The way he
explained it was that the hives are one of the body's natural
defenses against illness, and although it can't be explained why
this has happened, my immune system somehow went into overdrive
and just keeps misfiring again and again.
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May be immune problem?
As Donna shared & as you ...
... for the chemical that I've learned about, yes immune system is
'out of whack' I expect the fatigue to be acquired autoimmune
hemolytic anemia, so your body (immune system) is killing off your own
red blood cells prematurely. As long as bone marrow compensates it
doesn't show up much in the red blood cell counts; but the immature
red blood cells are low functioning. Check
some of these sources of exposure to 2-butoxyethanol
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144758&page=3&pp=5
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American
Gulf War Veterans Association
Gulf
War Illness
Cellular
immune activation in gulf war veterans.
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| Author |
Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans. |
Gale
Administrator |
March
11, 2004
Source
1: J Clin Immunol. 2004 Jan;24(1):66-73. Links
Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans.
Skowera A, Hotopf M, Sawicka E, Varela-Calvino R, Unwin C,
Nikolaou V, Hull L, Ismail K, David AS, Wessely SC, Peakman M.
Department of Immunobiology, King's & St. Thomas' School
of Medicine, King's College London, London, UK.
The etiology and pathology of illnesses related to the first
Persian Gulf War are unclear. Among the constellation of
symptoms noted in sick veterans, some, such as skin rashes,
musculoskeletal pains, and neuropsychiatric problems, have been
proposed to reflect an underlying immune dysfunction. In this
study we explored the hypothesis that sickness following
deployment to the Gulf in 1991 is associated with altered immune
function, and we examine possible associated exposures. In
particular, we focused on peripheral blood Th1/Th2 balance by
measuring intracellular production of IFN-gamma, IL-2 (Th1),
IL-4 (Th2), and IL-10 by CD4 T cells, using a nested case
control study design within a large epidemiological survey. We
compared symptomatic Gulf War veterans (sGWV) with well GWVs (wGWV),
and a second control group of symptomatic veterans who served in
Bosnia or were nondeployed military personnel of the same era.
We found evidence for an altered immune status in sGWV in
comparison to the other study groups. In particular, ongoing
Th1-type immune activation was associated with multisymptom
illness in GWVs, with sick veterans having significantly
elevated levels of IFN-gamma and IL-2 producing CD4+ cells in
the absence of in vitro stimulation compared with wGWVs ( P =
0.01 and P =0.001). In vitro polyclonal activation revealed
significantly elevated levels of IL-10 producing memory CD4
cells in sGWVs ( P <0.001), but other cytokines were normal.
In terms of possible exposures that might influence immune
function, we found a trend for reduced levels of IFN-gamma
producing cells after polyclonal activation with increasing
numbers of vaccines administered ( P <0.05) but no changes in
other cytokines. These data show that multisymptom illness in
Gulf War veterans is characterized by ongoing Th1-type immune
activation and a biased generation of memory cells secreting the
suppressor cytokine, IL-10.
PMID: 14997036 [PubMed - in process]
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mark
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March
11, 2004
In Laymen's terms what does it all mean. Is the vaccines
at fault or what?
Mark A
USN |
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MS investigation |
ncvet
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March
09, 2004
Does anyone know if there are any plans by the VA,DOD, to do an
investigation about people having MS and being in the Gulf? I am a
member of another board MSVets and there are over 400 members on
the board who have MS that were in the Gulf. Just curious if
anyone has seen or heard of anything. thanks. |
Mother
Margaret
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March
09, 2004
It would seem to fit the pattern: some damage to the nervous
system, especially the central nervous system and lowered immune
system anyway, and this is one dignosis that is in that category
quote:
(along with difficulty sleeping at night; difficulty
concentrating, short term memory loss, CNS depression, 'fly off
the handle' personality changes, & suicidal tendencies)
Per this source http://content.health.msn.com/content/article/57/66107.htm
quote:
What Is Multiple Sclerosis? MS is an autoimmune disease,
whereby the body's immune system, which normally targets and
destroys substances foreign to the body such as bacteria,
mistakenly attacks normal tissues. In MS, the immune system
attacks the brain and spinal cord, the two components of the
central nervous system.
The central nervous system is made up of nerves that act as
the body's messenger system. Each nerve is covered by a fatty
substance called myelin, which insulates the nerves and helps in
the transmission of nerve impulses, or messages, between the
brain and other parts of the body. These messages control muscle
movements, such as walking and talking.
MS gets its name from the buildup of scar tissue (sclerosis)
in the brain and/or spinal cord. The scar tissue or plaques form
when the protective and insulating myelin covering the nerves is
destroyed, a process called demyelination. Without the myelin,
electrical signals transmitted throughout the brain and spinal
cord are disrupted or halted. The brain then becomes unable to
send and to receive messages. It is this breakdown of
communication that causes the symptoms of MS.
Although the nerves can regain myelin, this process is not
fast enough to outpace the deterioration that occurs in MS. The
types of symptoms, severity of symptoms, and the course of MS
vary widely, partly due to the location of the scar tissue and
the extent of demyelination.
Multiple sclerosis affects 350,000 Americans and is, with the
exception of trauma, the most frequent cause of neurological
disability beginning in early to middle adulthood. MS is twice
as common in females as in males and its occurrence is unusual
before adolescence. A person has an increased risk of developing
the disease from the teen years to age 35 with the risk
gradually declining thereafter.
What Causes MS? No one is sure what causes the body's
immune system to go awry
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Mother
Margaret
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March
12, 2004
Scott shares more
http://www.valdezlink.com/gwv/scott.htm
This is a back up copy of this topic posted on Patriot Files
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kansasvet
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March
12, 2004
The national Gulf War Resource Center is working on this.
There are some of us veterans going to DC to go to the hill
after the conference to try and get the reps to do some work on
this issue.
www.kansasvets.org
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Immunoglobulin
A, B, and M what are they? |
headhunter25
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March
04, 2004
Just a quick question for all the guru's out there. My value for M
ws really low and highlighted in bold by the lab. The range value
is 40 to 230 and mine was 29 L. Just wondering what all that
means.
Headhunter25
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Mother
Margaret
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March
05, 2004
From a definition found on the internet:
quote:
Immunoglobulin A Deficiency:
Synonyms and related keywords: immunodeficiency,
selective IgA deficiency, selective immunoglobulin A deficiency,
primary antibody deficiencies, primary antibody deficiency,
antibody deficiency, IgAD, immunodeficiency disease,
sinopulmonary infection, sinus infection, otitis media, stomach
cancer, Giardia lamblia, G lamblia, Helicobacter pylori, H
pylori, GI cancer, gastrointestinal disease, GI disease, Crohn
disease, upper respiratory tract infection, lower respiratory
tract infection, chronic diarrhea, transfusion complication,
blood product reaction, adverse transfusion reaction
To continue: "Secretory IgA antibodies can neutralize
viruses, bind toxins, agglutinate bacteria, prevent bacteria from
binding to mucosal epithelial cells, and bind to various food
antigens, thus preventing their entry into the general
circulation. The role of serum IgA is unclear."
"IgAD is a primary immunodeficiency disease presumed to
result from a failure of terminal differentiation in IgA-positive
B cells. Multipotent hematopoietic stem cells give rise to
progenitors of T cells, B cells, and natural killer cells."
"The development of B-lineage cells begins in the fetal
liver. B-lineage cell development then transfers to the bone
marrow when it becomes the major hematopoietic organ. Pre–B
cells become immature immunoglobulin M (IgM)–positive B cells
and then migrate from the bone marrow to lymph node germinal
centers. After leaving the bone marrow, the B cells mature and
express immunoglobulin D receptors, respond to antigens, and, with
the help of T cells (CD4+), undergo proliferation and plasma cell
differentiation (International Union of Immunological Societies,
1999)."
Source: http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1159.htm
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headhunter25
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March
05, 2004
I looked up some things on the internet about it. It is noted that
Immunoglobulin M deficiency is very rare. Less than 0.03% of the
international population. It is also fatal to infants, young
children and can be in adults. Maybe that's why I get pluracy
often? I get it almost every winter. I also wonder if it's because
I have mycoplasma infection in my body? I can't understand why my
nuero guy didn't pick up on this. My wife has been in the
hospitial for surgery so I went over my med recs while waiting and
saw it. Any info will be helpful.
Headhunter25
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Mother
Margaret
Member |
March
05, 2004
In sharing your question with 'Mike' his comments are:
"The immunoglobulin molecule: That's a rather complex
molecule! Well, the lymph nodes crank out this protein molecule to
go after foreign bodies in an organism.
Too low numbers found in a blood test just means that
particular means of defense is too low, possibly in decline.
Something is impeding the lymphs; bad nutrition, poisoning, old
age, etc. Trick is to discover what caused such a condition.
I suspect you're on the path to connect that ester-alcohol solvent
C6H14O2/CH3(CH2)2CH2OCH2CH2OH to lymph damage. Since the liver is
definitely damaged with that substance just like longterm
metalysis of ethanol, follows other organs will suffer as
well."
I met Mike Simmons when he gave permission to use some of his 'pianodude'
music to the
website I was working on.
Then he added this http://www.valdezlink.com/media-ak/Exxon_Valdez_Movie.swf
Turns out he knows about various chemicals and their effects,
too!
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Pam
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March
07, 2004
Then someone explain to me Igg. Had high Igg to epstien barr 960,
and high Igg to herpes 1 or 2 600+. I was told these are
intibodies to the viruses. And that Igm would indicate current
active infection. |
Mother
Margaret
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March
07, 2004
Pam, is this the same thing?
quote:
IgG: Immunoglobulin G, a major class of immunoglobulins
found in the blood, including many of the most common antibodies
circulating in the blood. Also known as gamma globulin.
MERCK medical dictionary has some pretty good definitions,
check this chapter on immune: THE
MERCK MANUAL, Sec. 12, Ch. 146, Biology Of The Immune System
and
THE
MERCK MANUAL, Sec. 11, Ch. 145, Aids-Associated Hematologic
Disorders And Malignancies
If the level is high, then your immune system is doing pretty
well? You can help everyone out by checking into it and letting us
know if you learn something more |
Mother
Margaret
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March
07, 2004
PS
Could this be an autoimmune thing going on?
If your system is out of balance, such as what I expect to be
found eventually for those with hemolytic anemia from
2-butoxyethanol or diethylene glycol monobutyl ether ...
I would expect it to be diagnosed as acquired autoimmune
hemolytic anemia
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These are good
points - check red blood cells cont
Quote:
Originally
Posted by CheerAngel on
healthboards.com
I can agree with your immunologist in
that when it is chronic idiopathic
urticaria, it is usually not an allergy
but something else. Usually it is a
symptom of an illness, and some illness
that can be associated with hives are
autoimmune problems like lupus, rheumatoid
arthritis, thyroid problems... etc.
Autoimmune means that the bodies
antibodies attacks itself for no apparent
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There is a good thread
on immune stuff that one of the gulf war vet
discussion forums has going - worth searching for on
the internet (or is it OK to give the site? - It's
not .gov or .org but privately seeking answers as
these sites would)
If you have other odd symptoms, too, you might check
into the package of 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms as
low immune system is part of it; if you do I would
check whether red blood cell production is out of
whack as it would be with 2-butoxyethanol poisoning.
Retic ratio is only about $50 & what may not
show up in blood counts - most likely will in that
test.
This chemical eventually will damage you so badly
that you end up with hemolytic anemia (your immune
system is attacking your red blood cells and they
are 'dying off' prematurely) You didn't say anything
about fatigue. That is the symptom for this
damage. - 'Dear Maggie'
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Not sleeping at night is part of symptoms
I'm glad you are open
to this possibility. The not sleeping at night is
also part of the package of symptoms (this is
central nervous system damage)
In your search there is some information for workers
of the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup ... as it was
the chemical of harm for the bioremediation workers
& almost anyone else nearby (anniversary of
spill is March 24)
After that check out what the gulf war syndrome vets
are dealing with. They also have a discussion forum
with some of this info. They are not that interested
as they have a jillion things that could have harmed
them ... and after millions of dollars in multiple
studies, they don't have anything that is absolutely
definitive. BUT they were also exposed to
2-butoxyethanol and 2(2-butoxyethanol) and this
chemical all by itself causes all of the gulf war
syndrome symptoms. But know what? It has not been
studied at all!
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