Is the pattern of 2-butoxyethanol harm here?  How would I interpret these facts, with that question in mind? I've asked him, is there blood in urine?  Are red blood cells small-sized? If so, doctor could do test for autoimmune hemolytic anemia that this chemical is said to cause   -  Or check these things
hello everyone..my name is kathy in ky and I just joined this site...last week I was diagnosed with melanoma as I go every so often to have moles and skin checked as I am very " moley " as my hubbie says...the last time I went was back in 2003 and I guess I should have gone before now but kept putting it off..MISTAKE...now the mole that was taken off is melanoma, early stage..I go this thurs for an excisional and the doc, who I have seen for many yrs, says he will take a ' hunk ' out of my back..fill me up with stitches and then sew the rest of me up...I have had numerous surgeries...several 'female' surgeries over time,  my thyroid removed, hysterectomy, breat mass removed and 3 yrs ago, had my neck operated on as there was not enough room for the nerves so they opened up the spine to make room, if that makes sense...all of these surgeries I was asleep so that was good..but this one thur will be different..I will be awake...NERVOUS !!!!  I am also very worried of the outcome too..alot of bone (not muscle) pain, esp in the spine next to the area of the melanoma and the lymph nodes in the neck are puffy and the collarbone hurts...does that make sense..bones actually hurt...sometimes the shin bones hurt even when just the bed covers touch them, so I am very worried about the outcome of this surgery on thurs..
 
I got on the web group and scanned a bit and found this site and thought it looked pretty good place to be, SO HERE I AM !!!!
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I notice that many of the things you mention look like the pattern of what 2-butoxythanol exposures would do.  Do you also have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?  If so, when did those symptoms start?  and did they start up after a serious flu ... eyes hurting, urine turned dark, and FATIGUE?
 
This odd assortment of symptoms  To prove this chemical's harm you are looking for autoimmune hemolytic anemia & you have to prove the fatigue that doctors say they don't know what it is.  Bones hurting can be an advance stage of this fatigue.  As the doctor if your red blood cells are small sized; blood in urine & check all hormones
 
Ask if you can concentrate on good nutrition & glyconutrient food supplements.  Learn here  and here.  If you check all the links you will know best of what I found & it is not just one company ... about 4 sources.
 
Don't worry.  Much of what we worry about never happens.  Sounds like you are in good hands.
I was diagnosed with LUPUS about 28 1/2 yrs ago while preg. with my son...and I also have fibromyalgia too...so I know the fatigue being overwhelming is alot of that too...but never had the extreme bone pain before.... Kathy in ky
I suspect the fatigue (if cause from 2-butoxyethanol) would be acquired compensated autoimmune hemolytic anemia.  I suspect the severe bone pain is the advance stages of this fatigue  (I have no medical background - I just studied this chemical & recognize its pattern) Avoid 2-BE for Health - MM
 

Can this fatigue lead to paralysis?   


Fatigue - Prostate Cancer - Paralysis
definition:
extramedullary hematopoiesis: red blood cell production outside the vertebrae. Red blood cells are derived from the stem cells in the bone marrow throughout the body. When individuals become severely anemic, there is not enough space in the ctive bone marrow to produce hemoglobin, and the body begins to make blood outside the bone marrow: in the spleen, liver, and sometimes outside the vertebrae, which can compress the spinal cord, leading to paralysis
I heard of paralysis happening to a painter (who died this past 2003 as a young man about 44). He was being seen for prostate cancer, and he had pain in his back & bones, but didn't get a diagnosis for that. Then he became paralyzed ... due to?

His family (after his death) said that he had all of the symptoms of this chemical exposure, 2-butoxyethanol - (& of course he was exposed to the chemical) but he didn't get an accurate diagnosis - they didn't know what was happening with his bones. Since there is a red blood cell anemia, I was wondering if the above definition was part of what is happening to these .... (either from very extreme, serious exposure to too much of the chemical even in a brief exposure, or in many mini exposures over a long period of time)? 

shares his family:  

"The correct diagnosis was that his red blood cell where reproducing outside of the spine causing spinal cord compression.. Once this happens you have a 72 hour slide period to have surgery to release the compression or a bone marrow transplant. Maurice missed this 72 hour period by two weeks. Because other oncologist did not do his job well. Maurice was in Little co. of Mary Hospital and this doctor came in the room and pressed his hand on his back and said no pain no cancer on back. I responded how could he feel pain he is on morphine. The Dr. rudely turned to me and said he has a few small cancer spots in his tummy and walked away"  2-21-04

The chemical that affects painters & many others is 2-butoxyethanol (a pesticide, solvent, poison). The first thing people notice who are affected by it is all-the-time fatigue (red blood cell damage) that no rest helps - No energy; then depression all the time, personality changes to very grouchy, 'grumpy' - Extreme Irritability, Loose temper easily, Short term memory loss, Difficulty concentrating, Suicidal Tendencies, (many assorted central nervous system diagnosis) ... endocrine disruption to pituitary? to thyroid? to blood pressure? to blood sugar? to reproductive organs? to adrenal glands? This chemical, also known as ethylene glycol monobuytl ether, is known to cause hemolytic anemia, but I have wondered why it is so hard to find. The red blood cell counts come in borderline normal.

Then I realized that it takes awhile for the blood system to get so bad that it shows up. The retic ratio should indicate if there aren't enough mature red blood cells, shouldn't it?

definition:
One definition of Hemolytic anemia: At the end of their normal life span (about 120 days), RBCs are removed by components of the mononuclear phagocyte system, principally in the spleen, where Hb catabolism takes place. The essential feature of hemolysis is a shortened RBC life span; hemolytic anemia results when bone marrow production can no longer compensate for the shortened RBC survival.
These are symptoms of hemolytic anemia
  • Chills
  • Fatigue
  • Pale color
  • Shortness of breath
  • Rapid heart rate
  • Yellow skin color (jaundice)
  • Dark urine (indicative of blood in urine - never dismiss this! Stop exposure immediately!)
  • Enlarged spleen

Audrey's Husband had bouts of paralysis, too

 
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Check into glyconutrients - 4 sources of info - and these to explain more


Good nutrition and Glyconutrients - help bring back & Keep health - Food supplements to help the immune system

As medical doctor and scientific researcher, Dr. Emil Mondoa explains that eight essential sugars, known as saccharides, are the basis of cellular intelligence and communication. 

The ability of cells to communicate and work together is necessary to keep us healthy and balanced. Even tiny amounts of these sugars (or lack of them) can have profound effects on our bodies.  Written 2001

Written in 2003 - by a nutritionist who most likely benefited from the research of Mannatech - Excellent intro

He was dying of Crohn's & regained his health with good nutrition and glyconutrient supplements

Both books recommend eating mushrooms (knarled type) in homemade soup as a good source of some of the glyconutrients


I hope others will direct some of their energy toward healing.

Give this info to your doctor     AND    the questionnaire 

 

Share your Symptoms   Gather all blood info Check the blood thoroughly  * 12-11-03  Many are harmed by this chemical

 

Make your grocery store your pharmacy!

 

 
Late onset diabetes, high bad cholesterol and autoimmune metabolic issues may be helped by glyconutrients and good nutrition

... which I suspect these in many cases are birth defects from a parent's WWII exposures to a chemical such as 2-butoxyethanol in the bomb fumes, jet fuel, cleaning compounds - Also  in much of what was used in manufacturing cleaning 

 

 

Glyconutrients seem the most hopeful  5-20-05

 

 

Medical Studies needed?

 

Who would have thought - That in looking for the chemical of harm to the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers, we would find a cause of 'Gulf War Syndrome?'

Question:  Since this is the chemical of concern,

 C6H14O2/CH3(CH2)2CH2OCH2CH2OH 

NOTE:  Be careful of this family of chemical  

and Don't be re-exposed 

Looks Like a Good Book    More info

September 28, 2003

Best Advice of all?  All things in Moderation!

Other Diet Thoughts to Consider

More Good Health Tips

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