of military use JP-8 instead of JP-5 jet fuel? - Mother
I heard that there
was a test on JP-5 done by the Navy in about 1994. Anyone know how I
could get a copy of it?
I don't understand why JP-3, JP-4,
JP-5 and JP-6 are labeled as pesticides by EPA. What did they put in
them that is not in JP-8?
In using JP-8 it is supposed to not allow ice build up; and also be a
fuel that can be used for all military fuel needs. (That's what a jet
fuel refinery man told me, anyway.)
I suggest to you that troops in Iraq are still having some soldiers use
jet fuel to burn up the 'out-house' stuff, and if it is one of the types
labeled as pesticide ... those soldiers are unnecessarily exposed to
harm (a gulf war syndrome 'exposure')?
How it was done in Gulf War 1
We used either JP-4 or 5 in our Hummers on many occasions in the Gulf.
We used "MOGAS" in our equipment to heat water and some
warming stoves. No idea what "MOGAS" is but that's what it was
called. Lastly we used diesel to burn the crappers clean.
Something I forgot to add; We also burned trash with MOGAS and diesel. A
cup of MOGAS to get it started and diesel to keep it going.
Acronym For Motor Gas - Mother
interesting. It is a term referring to severe service metal seated
But for what we are interested in: power resources or in Narrower Terms
- aviation fuels, captured fuel, diesel fuel marine, fossil fuels, motor
gasoline, nuclear fuels, synthetic fuel,
Related Terms: fuel research, fuel storage, supply class III
Another says, "It's a contraction for autoMOtive gasoline - mogas;
so it's just the regular gas you put in your car. The term has only been
in circulation since the 1980's"
a history of US Navy patapsco gasoline tankers AOG: AOG AVGAS, MOGAS
& JET FUEL (Vietnam era)
In 1996-1998 there was a high performance Mogas fuel system developed
for racing cars using natural gas: a clean-burning fuel, mild to the
engines, which helps reduce engine wear and maintenance. NG also has
superior safety factors and offers significant fuel cost savings.
Aviation Authority regulatory position on the use of MOGAS and AVGAS as
of 31 January 2001
Do you think it was something experimental? Or an older type fuel the
military refers to as MOGAS during 1990-1991?
If you used diesel for the 'out-house' burn-up, that would seem to be
safer than JP-5
Probably not relevant, but on this Navy
fact sheet site, it states on cargo capacity of a Maritime
Prepositioning Ship: JP-5 bbls, 20,290; DF-2 bbls, 12,355; Mogas bbls,
JP-4 and JP-5 are just different grades of Diesel Fuel. Not pesticides.
They were mixed with agent orange during the Vietnam War to give the
DEFOLIANT some stickiness to adhere to the plants. I was not aware that
it was used as a pesticide except to spray standing water to kill mosquitoes.
(By suffocating the Mosquito Larvae).
MOGAS is exceptionally volatile. It was very tricky business to get the
right drip rate on the equipment that used the stuff and no one really
wanted to have that detail.
We had immersion heaters powered by MOGAS on the showers of our first
couple of sites. In a rather humorous incident one of our nco's climbed
up one night to light them and was blown off of the top of the showers
by a small explosion. His eyebrows and front hair line were gone but
aside from that he was ok. We never could get him to go up on the
showers again after that hehehe
Here is some procedural data for the handling of MOGAS were I live.
MOGAS is not stored at FISC Point Loma and must be delivered by
commercial tank truck. MOGAS deliveries can be conducted at La
Playa fuel pier or Naval Station piers with proper safety
precautions. Delivery at other military berths in San Diego
requires a 500 foot safety arc and is stringently monitored by
the Federal Fire Department, NAVSTA Safety, and FISC Fuel
Department personnel. Only under extraordinary circumstances
will the North Islands berth M, N, O, and P be considered to
transfer MOGAS. Ships should consult their ISIC prior to loading
or off-loading MOGAS. In particular, amphibious ships should
consult with PHIBRON-9. Most encourage ships returning from
deployment to off-load MOGAS prior to entering CONUS.
It's fun stuff
a certain type of pesticide, but still a pesticide - Mother
I was surprised, too,
and wouldn't have even looked into it except a Navy man with gulf war
type syndrome symptoms from mid 1980s said it was the only thing he kept
coming back to: JP-5 jet fuel. I looked into it & thought he made
this sample MSDS for JP-5 I note some warnings that would be on
2-butoxyethanol AND ethylene oxide. Makes me wonder whether or not this
is where Corexit
9527's military use was (?) It is somewhere, by the way; and
wherever it is, it is DANGEROUS! Not SAFE to be anywhere close to.
These are the jet fuels labeled as pesticide by EPA:
(063515 ) CAS REG. NO. 94114-58-6
(063515 ) FUELS, JET, JP-3
(063515 ) FUELS, JET, JP-4
(063515 ) FUELS, JET, JP-5
(063515 ) JET FUEL
(063515 ) JET FUELS, JP-4
(063515 ) JET FUELS, JP-5
(063515 ) JET FUELS, JP-6
(063515 ) JP-5 JET FUEL
(063515 ) JP-6 JET FUEL
(063515 ) NAVY FUELS JP-5
(063515 ) NAVY FUELS JP-5, PETROLEUM DERIVED
(063515 ) NCI-C54784
AND I was VERY surprised to find that 2-butoxyethanol
and 2(2-butoxyethanol) were listed by EPA as pesticides; that EPA
included them in their own testing of pesticides for endocrine
disruption (which by the way, is what 2-butoxyethanol does do)
It is, what I believe, is happening with gulf war vets: the headaches
would represent endocrine disruption http://www.valdezlink.com/complete.htm#endocrine
I was also surprised to find Lysol
Tub 'n Tile has a registered EPA pesticide number. It has 6% of
product as diethylene glycol monobutyl ether aka 2-(2-butoxyethanol)
There are lots of products to WATCH
Good old purple pipe JP-5. We used JP-5 for our helicopter and the fuel
pipe to the helo deck ran just above my bunk. Pipes are color coded and
labeled on a USN ship and purple was for JP-5. Count my blessings as LP
or HP steam pipes clanged, rattled, vibrated and made loud and scary
weird sounds 24/7. Nuf to make a person crazy after a while.
thoughts on JP-3, JP-4, JP-5, JP-6
use of JP-5 in Gulf War 1