Are Auto Mechanics at Risk for Chronic Fatigue?
.... Yes, I think so - Most definitely! ... And of course, those who paint cars ... as well!
Do you have the
after violent flu like symptoms?
A painter's relative shared with me that her brother won a case
against Dupont for damage he had from paint ... he almost died. After
the X-wife took half and the attorney & other costs, there wasn't
much left for him. Now, many years later, he had surgery on a leg and
it has not healed in 2 years. The doctor has no clue. I shared,
"I have been studying the real chemical of harm in paint, and
it's not lead like they want you to believe, it is
Compiled by Julia Kendall who died from chemical poisoning (1935 - 1997)
that this Lysol product is 5.99% concentration of diethylene glycol
monobutyl ether... and it states the EPA number and that this is a
pesticide; but that the health hazard is minimal. That's
Many cancer groups such as
prostate cancer, and diabetes groups (those with sudden onset, very high
blood sugar) should be checked for this chemical's harm: acquired
autoimmune hemolytic anemia! even though there is nothing showing in the
regular blood work to direct doctors in this direction.
I suspect this same chemical of being the cause of CFS, CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome' And it causes lots of other things, too
This is a problem that many, many other citizen's have, but only because there was a group of wonderful soldiers that were stricken as a group ... can we see its harm. Compare them to the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers, 'the bioremediation workers' with known exposure to this chemical ... and they will look alike in the FATIGUE!
Will these groups 'look like' the workers who were health damaged from the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup? In particular the US Navy who monitored and helped with the Corexit trials? and the 'bioremediation' workers in particular AND the US Coast Guard who monitored them (meaning they had similar exposure to 2-butoxyethanol)?
I thank the gulf war vets for bringing this to our attention.
God bless you all; I am so sorry you have had to suffer so much
The studies on this chemical have been out there for decades, too;
but most of the time they test the mice and rats by ingesting the chemical;
that may amount to very little exposure, but try misting it!
It's a tornado chemical, if you ask me; comes and goes quickly,
but leaves behind damaged DNA (?), Central Nervous system, but first and foremost,
it damages the BLOOD ... & you know the rest
By the way, one gulf war vet who was very sensitive to any chemicals,
shared with me that a product which did help her for cleaning, was Meloluca (sp?)
For 'gulf war syndrome' vets, why has the focus been on sarin, shots, depleted uranium?
Letter to the American Legion
Any Marines and other military out there?
You should like this web page! Someone sure took a lot of time painting this
Thanks for that great info, Dear Maggie. And here I thought it was ok to keep soaking myself up to the elbows in solvents and chemicals. I guess those warnings on the bottles..were...serious....hmmmmm
I like to think I get fatigued from actual work.
But Ya. Chemicals do make for poor working conditions. I wear latex gloves most of the day.
the sad part is Chronic fatigue syndrome is not like a asthma attack, as they have it listed.. I don't see someone picking up a socket and all of a sudden having a CFS attack.. My sister had it in her teens..yes it is hard to live with, and it affects many people.. But I don't see how washing your hands can cause it.. And the glycol they are talking about..Hum lets see do any of yall take a bath in antifreze? I honestly think people who "suffer" from this stuff is total bs (most of the times).. Just think aobut it,you can sit on your butt all day get a check from the government, and not have ot do anything.. Now real CFS, the kind my sister had is serious...She could sleep for 3 days straight, go check the mail and sleep for 2 more days.. It was the oddest thing you have ever seen..
But she never worked on a car, wonder why she got it lol.
FYI this is a PSA
... & for this sister just mentioned ... sometimes moms who clean (you know the hard working ones) get 'the syndrome' It's an injustice. Why don't the 'lazy ones' get it?
Note the EPA reg no on the back of Lysol tub 'n Tile ... on the back of Lysol Kitchen disinfectant ... it means that it is 2-2-butoxyethanol ... and not safe
Here are some other names for that
Diethylene Glycol Butyl Ether
Diethylene Glycol Mono-n-butyl Ether
Diethylene glycol, monobutyl ether
Glycol, monobutyl ether
o-butyl diethylene glycol
diethylene glycol n-butyl ether
diglycol monobutyl ether
glycol ether db
Avoid if possible
Lest you think I'm talking through a hole in my head, I have a son who is a mechanic and about the best you could find. A very hard worker who also thinks he is invincible. It frightens me when I learn more about what he uses, like CLP to spray on mechanical parts for cleaning. Like what our soldiers use to clean their weapons. It isn't disclosed ... but I was told by someone in the military that these products contain 2-butoxyethanol
And it doesn't take that much exposure. One man was misting it for just 45 minutes at work ... but the doctors couldn't figure out what the bouts of paralysis were caused from. (Do your bones hurt?)
How is your sister, Ditch-DR?
Some auto and cleaning products contain very high levels of 2-butoxyethanol
Now I wonder what OSHA found out when they re-opened public input on these chemicals 2 years ago? They were concerned about 46,000 auto industry workers, from what I heard.
Of course, since it doesn't show up in the blood work, and doctors don't look past the basics, because they don't suspect acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia (premature destruction of red blood cells by one's immune system) & dismiss the trace blood in urine therefor, too; the chemical companies can just keep whining, "Oh, it could have been caused from anything" (Prostate & other gland cancers ... leukemias and lymphomas)
It's all President Bush's fault!!!!!
Only a True Moron would vote for John Kerry(IMO)
Let's blame the Exxon Valdez oil spill
On the other hand, we can credit what I
know about this harmful chemical, 2-butoxyethanol, to the study I
It was the harmful chemical used during the Exxon Valdez oil spill
cleanup: Inipol EAP 22 and
Sometimes those who object most strenuously, need the info the most: Like reeb whose teeth are falling out - an advanced stage of bone marrow problems
Hey, you gotta die somehow. Life is too short to be worried about the 'how'.
I get it
Die Anyway ....
But, if you read up on what happened to the first Gulf War Vets ...
you wouldn't be flippant about their demise ... or rather,
what most probably is the cause of 'gulf war syndrome'
This chemical - It is a match for all of their harm, and a teratogen, too
It is a very sad story
We have poisoned our own troops with a common cleaning and degreaser chemical ... and our grandmas, too.
Maybe it's what's between the beginning and the end that matters.
Military, jet fuels may contain this chemical ...
Note the pesticide labeling of JP-2, 3, 4, 5, 6
and the warnings about defatted skin
Enough said. I found some info - it's up to you to be careful of this chemical
Any of you 'handymen' out there ever have a bad 'repair day?' JOKE
10-9-04 Need Help?
Someone Spent a lot of Time Painting this car! *
2-butoxyethanol exposure? or diethylene glycol monobutyl ether? *
Autoimmune Hemolytic anemia *
|Do you have this?||If yes, starting when?||& how frequently?|
|FATIGUE no energy|
|Rapid Heart Beat *|
|Shortness of Breath|
|Dark urine. Blood in urine, even trace? *|
|Enlarged Spleen * *|
|Direct measurement of the red cell life span by isotopic tagging techniques shows a decreased life span * Red blood cells are immature - other tests can be 'off'|
|Track 'retic' rate * *|
|Abnormal blood picture *|
|Getting sick often?|
|Worst Exposure - Eyes BURNING & Hurting?!|
|Other symptoms - CNS||Do you have this?||If yes, starting when?||& how frequently?|
|Short term Memory Loss|
|Sleep Difficulties *|
|Depression all the time|
|Other such as MS?|
|Other symptoms -||Do you have this?||If yes, starting when?||& how frequently?|
|Multiple other things *|
|Bones Hurt? * extramedullary hematopoiesis?|
|Skin Rashes, cracks *|
|Other symptoms - Glands - Organs *||Do you have this?||If yes, starting when?||& how frequently?|
|Any Glands * swollen? *|
Spike or drop in BP
Spike or drop in Blood Sugar *
Acute exposure: hemoglobinuria + histopathologic changes
hemoglobinuria + histopathologic changes
|Reproductive Harm * *|
|Child or spouse with same symptoms? *|
|Or these *|
Is there one chemical, that with too much exposure, can do all of this?
*VMBB Senior Staff*
Owyhee County, Idaho
We have grasped the mystery of the
atom and rejected the sermon on the Mount........The world has
achieved brilliance without a conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear
giants and ethical infants........General Omar Bradley
... that's the point ... to help people
Once they can get an accurate diagnosis on the fatigue,
you are half way there ... to focusing on a cure,
and stop the experimenting on these dear souls
Many of the tests, if they are unnecessary, expensive, and painful,
can be avoided and REAL HELP may be on the way.
I'm just an info person, people like you will help to spread the word,
and hopefully interest those in the medical profession
It took me over 3 years to realize how to find this fatigue and to realize how widespread it was. So, although it looks like a long post, it is abbreviated from the many other web pages that I've written, finding out this 'n that.
People should track their own red blood cell counts; the reticulocyte counts and the ferritin counts over time. I think the ferritin gets low (but still in normal range) and that it has something to do with making red blood cells; and with proteins, which all of the body parts need ... & can lead to aching joints, for instance? Also tracking urinalysis after fatigue began, to see how long blood shows up in urine; ask the doctor to study the red blood cells.
Also, you will often see thyroid ailments and lyme disease list the multiple, odd symptoms of this chemical's harm. Hmm... which came first? .... the chicken or the egg?
I work in the auto repair world myself. I am around a body shop or a mechanic shop often and do alot of work on cars on the side. The chemicals are very very dangerous. The new paints are worse than the old stuff. i went to a course that DuPont runs and I will tell you I will NEVER EVER paint without a paint suit and supplied air . This stuff is deadly.
Another bad one is brakeclean. Read the can and beware. it is a major carcinogen.
Chemicals can be our best friends or the worst enemy. use caution and don't cut safety corners. it isn't worth the time saved.
God Bless America
Re: Any mechanics or painters with unknown fatigue?
The reality is basically all chemicals can be bad and it is worse when used incorrectly. I assume them all dangerous. I never rely on anyone, govt or companies to disclose.
I don't let the wife clean the tub and tile, I use a heavy tile cleaner and use my paint pray mask to help keep the chemicals out. it works. Its also a good thing to point out that often the long term effects are not known , since a product may not be out that long at the time.
the right track, MrMagnum. Young people, in particular, think they
are invincible ... nothing will harm them. Sad, sad, sad!
In particular, these
... for the harm of 2-butoxyethanol to be considered
An example of 'the chills'
A good article
Why 2-butoxyethanol needs to be considered
along with other sources of harm for the 'gulf war syndrome' troops
(then & now) ... and the public, too, of course
OSHA reopened -
Are the 2-butoxyethanol family of chemicals harmful to Auto Workers?