.... Yes, I think so - Most definitely! ... And of course, those who paint cars ... as well!  

               Do you have the symptoms? after violent flu like symptoms?

A mechanic shared that he was spraying something to get a rusty bolt unstuck,
and he came down with a fatigue syndrome (CFS or CFIDS?).

A painter's relative shared with me that her brother won a case against Dupont for damage he had from paint ... he almost died. After the X-wife took half and the attorney & other costs, there wasn't much left for him. Now, many years later, he had surgery on a leg and it has not healed in 2 years. The doctor has no clue. I shared, "I have been studying the real chemical of harm in paint, and it's not lead like they want you to believe, it is 2-butoxyethanol!"

Actually, Fuller O'Brien will now disclose ethylene glycol and say it causes kidney damage ...
but when you ask WHICH ethylene glycol, they will not say!
It is most likely ethylene glycol monobutyl ether
... the chemical of harm during the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup ... and since the Dept of Defense purchased 'Corexit' from the failed attempts at cleanup ... I also suspect this chemical is the real cause of gulf war syndrome

A helps tip: www.nontoxic.com/nontoxic/askdoctor.html#link7

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For Grease on Hands: Wear gloves to keep hands clean.  This becoming standard practice in some professional garages. Use citrus-based hand cleaners. although these may cause asthma Rub greasy hands with baby oil. Then clean with soap and water.

Compiled by Julia Kendall who died from chemical poisoning (1935 - 1997)

On one of her links, I find the following information:
"2-Butoxy-1-Ethanol or butyl cellosolve are in most aerosol propellants."
Now, the latter is the name Dow Chemical uses for 2-butoxyethanol. They are synonyms
Ah ha! And so is 2-butoxy-1-ethanol


Harmed by Simple Green

Here are more helps on how to find the fatigue,
then go to the first part of the thread
VERY valuable information!
Please share with your doctor!
Most doctors must see these patients regularly

However, they expect the regular blood work to show up anemia in blood,
and in the case of this particular type of chemical poisoning, IT DOES NOT!
You have to look at the red blood cells: size, shape, membranes; what is the retic ratio over time? What are the red blood cell counts, over time? Track your own blood health Ask the doctor to check for acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia.

... what Exxon did in 1989 that's how I learned about 2-butoxyethanol
... what the chemical companies did
We are talking about a lot of money ...
if the govt stops the use/sale of these chemicals
I wonder how much the US Dept of Defense has paid for these?

There is still harm to troops AND the average citizen

A man asked me about 'Scrubbing Bubbles'
Do you see anything of concern in these ingredients?
http://www.hescoinc.com/Msds/dr94386.pdf

This is what he queried,

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Hi, "Dear Maggie,' Do you think there is anything in that "scrubbing bubbles" type of bathtub cleaner? I used it lately and it worked well, and it occurred to me it was a lot like the miraculous results of 409. I had sprayed the tub, and let it soak. When I took a shower, I realized I had not rinsed it off. I used my feet to "scrub the loosened grime off and it all came off. Nothing serious, but I noticed my feet were real dry last night.  clean too.

OK, I found Scrubbing Bubbles here:
http://www.hescoinc.com/Msds/dr94386.pdf
Size it up to the 100% and you will see the first listed ingredient
as diethylene glycol monobutyl ether (this is 2-2-butoxyethanol) at 10% strength that is definitely NOT safe.

Does this product have an EPA registered number on it?
I think it would have to,
Lysol 'Tub n Tile and Lysol Kitchen disinfectant do,
and I suspect this chemical on both,
but have just confirmed it on the 'tub n tile

Note that this Lysol product is 5.99% concentration of diethylene glycol monobutyl ether... and it states the EPA number and that this is a pesticide; but that the health hazard is minimal. That's an oxymoron!

OK, but other countries are worse than we are ... and we are HORRIBLE about disclosure ... but still better than other countries

A worker bought a whole box of small paint spray cans... written in Chinese or something ... I said, do you know how hazardous this must be? If you can't read the can, don't buy it

I must share that spray versions are the WORST, because
the worst exposure to this chemical is at the cuticle area AND the eye membranes

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Yes, spraying in the bath tub kinda worried me. I guess I have clean lungs now right? It is called: Power House - Powerful home cleaner. BATHROOM CLEANER Distributed by Personal Care Products in Bingham Farms MI. Will this subject ever "come out"? I mean to the general public? Jerry http://www.whaledreams.com/ PS What about "Goop"? Hand cleaner. I am trying to get a handle on the products that are bad. I used to use a lot of that

To everyone harmed with CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms,
regardless of military or non-military, or service period ...

I can't tell you how much you are needed for this cause

The fatigue and the rest of it, I truly believe is from 2-butoxyethanol poisoning.
This chemical has been around since the 1930s and in widespread use shortly after that.

The fatigue has not been found, but is findable; when all harmed by it are found to have hemolytic anemia - the proof is there

Even those who have died already may have had past medical info showing blood in urine, and too many immature red blood cells, or too elevated 'retic' counts with a severe attack 

                        Maybe Sue, too?

You are still fighting for the USA, soldier; we need your help  (and everyone else, too!)

The concerns you voice have been stated by many, many people
No one is looking in the right direction, but when they do, the evidence will be remarkable.

Please hang in there, for us, for your buddies, for the newborns, for everyone

Share this web page with anyone who will receive your e-mails!

The research of Dr. Haley is very good; it is one aspect of 2-butoxyethanol's harm. It is true what he says and there is nothing in this diagnosis of the fatigue that would be contrary to that.

Most people look at the central nervous system damage;
but the fatigue is an area that all will look alike in, if I'm right;
YOU have the proof of my theory.

No one else must be harmed by this chemical

Once we get an accurate diagnosis, then a cure can be sought

YOU must not get any more exposure to it ... study up ... and avoid it!

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This same 2-butoxyethanol has harmed not only these workers, but many, many others in our nation over multiple decades and it's going on today, too! Protect Yourself From Future Harm Check for what products contain 2-butoxyethanol (CAS Registry Number: 000111-76-2) in the Household Products Data Base http://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/ingredients.htm Also check for the complex version Diethylene glycol monobutyl ether or 2-2-butoxyethanol (CAS Registry Number: 000112-34-5) 5% concentration is not safe for home use, per one expert in product development. If you want to know about a specific product you use, put the name of the product, comma, and then the letters MSDS (Stands for Material Safety Data Sheet) and the internet should be able to give enough choices that you can see if this chemical is in the product you are using. People do not take the warnings seriously, but they should. Wear goggles and chemical retardant gloves and have ventilation equivalent to outdoors. On the other hand, most of the time the ingredient is NOT disclosed and you have to know what type of warnings might indicate such. Something really needs to change here. A clean bathtub is not worth someone's life. The price we are paying is NOT worth the benefit received. It is an unnecessary harm. If you have a horrible fatigue of unknown cause, and a lot of other odd symptoms, would you consider participating in a preliminary health survey? www.valdezlink.com/preliminary_health_survey.htm www.valdezlink.com/psa.htm www.valdezlink.com/health_survey_for_doctor.htm

Many cancer groups such as prostate cancer, and diabetes groups (those with sudden onset, very high blood sugar) should be checked for this chemical's harm: acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia! even though there is nothing showing in the regular blood work to direct doctors in this direction.

I suspect this same chemical of being the cause of CFS, CFIDS, 'gulf war syndrome' And it causes lots of other things, too

This is a problem that many, many other citizen's have, but only because there was a group of wonderful soldiers that were stricken as a group ... can we see its harm. Compare them to the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup workers, 'the bioremediation workers' with known exposure to this chemical ... and they will look alike in the FATIGUE!

Will these groups 'look like' the workers who were health damaged from the Exxon Valdez oil spill cleanup? In particular the US Navy who monitored and helped with the Corexit trials? and the 'bioremediation' workers in particular AND the US Coast Guard who monitored them (meaning they had similar exposure to 2-butoxyethanol)?


I thank the gulf war vets for bringing this to our attention.

God bless you all; I am so sorry you have had to suffer so much

The studies on this chemical have been out there for decades, too;
but most of the time they test the mice and rats by ingesting the chemical;
that may amount to very little exposure, but try misting it!

It's a tornado chemical, if you ask me; comes and goes quickly,
but leaves behind damaged DNA (?), Central Nervous system, but first and foremost,
it damages the BLOOD ... & you know the rest

www.valdezlink.com/hb_unravel_mystery.htm

By the way, one gulf war vet who was very sensitive to any chemicals,
shared with me that a product which did help her for cleaning, was Meloluca (sp?)

For 'gulf war syndrome' vets, why has the focus been on sarin, shots, depleted uranium?

Letter to the American Legion

Any Marines and other military out there?
http://www.valdezlink.com/marine_corps_hymn.htm

You should like this web page!  Someone sure took a lot of time painting this

Thanks for that great info, Dear Maggie. And here I thought it was ok to keep soaking myself up to the elbows in solvents and chemicals. I guess those warnings on the bottles..were...serious....hmmmmm

STUPIDITY KILLS

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Tom R.

the sad part is Chronic fatigue syndrome is not like a asthma attack, as they have it listed.. I don't see someone picking up a socket and all of a sudden having a CFS attack.. My sister had it in her teens..yes it is hard to live with, and it affects many people.. But I don't see how washing your hands can cause it.. And the glycol they are talking about..Hum lets see do any of yall take a bath in antifreze? I honestly think people who "suffer" from this stuff is total bs (most of the times).. Just think aobut it,you can sit on your butt all day get a check from the government, and not have ot do anything.. Now real CFS, the kind my sister had is serious...She could sleep for 3 days straight, go check the mail and sleep for 2 more days.. It was the oddest thing you have ever seen..

But she never worked on a car, wonder why she got it lol.

... & for this sister just mentioned ... sometimes moms who clean (you know the hard working ones) get 'the syndrome' It's an injustice. Why don't the 'lazy ones' get it?

Note the EPA reg no on the back of Lysol tub 'n Tile ... on the back of Lysol Kitchen disinfectant ... it means that it is 2-2-butoxyethanol ... and not safe

Here are some other names for that

Butoxydiglycol
Butyl Carbitol
Diethylene Glycol Butyl Ether
2-(2-n-Butoxyethoxy)ethanol
Diethylene Glycol Mono-n-butyl Ether
n-Butyl Carbitol
Diethylene glycol, monobutyl ether
Glycol, monobutyl ether
butoxydiethylene glycol
o-butyl diethylene glycol
butyl dioxitol
diethylene glycol n-butyl ether
diethylene db
diglycol monobutyl ether
dowanol db
ektasolve db
glycol ether db
jeffersol db
poly-solv db
3,6-Dioxa-1-decanol
Dowanol OR
3,6-Dioxadecanol

Avoid if possible

Lest you think I'm talking through a hole in my head, I have a son who is a mechanic and about the best you could find. A very hard worker who also thinks he is invincible. It frightens me when I learn more about what he uses, like CLP to spray on mechanical parts for cleaning. Like what our soldiers use to clean their weapons. It isn't disclosed ... but I was told by someone in the military that these products contain 2-butoxyethanol

And it doesn't take that much exposure. One man was misting it for just 45 minutes at work ... but the doctors couldn't figure out what the bouts of paralysis were caused from. (Do your bones hurt?)

How is your sister, Ditch-DR?

PSA

Some auto and cleaning products contain very high levels of 2-butoxyethanol

Now I wonder what OSHA found out when they re-opened public input on these chemicals 2 years ago? They were concerned about 46,000 auto industry workers, from what I heard.

Of course, since it doesn't show up in the blood work, and doctors don't look past the basics, because they don't suspect acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia (premature destruction of red blood cells by one's immune system) & dismiss the trace blood in urine therefor, too; the chemical companies can just keep whining, "Oh, it could have been caused from anything" (Prostate & other gland cancers ... leukemias and lymphomas)

It's all President Bush's fault!!!!!

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Only a True Moron would vote for John Kerry(IMO)

Well, I blame the Exxon Valdez oil spill for Robbing the USA of ANWAR

Hey, you gotta die somehow. Life is too short to be worried about the 'how'.

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Daniel H.

Eat Right

Exercise

Die Anyway ....

But, if you read up on what happened to the first Gulf War Vets ...
you wouldn't be flippant about their demise ... or rather,
what most probably is the cause of 'gulf war syndrome'

This chemical - It is a match for all of their harm, and a teratogen, too

It is a very sad story

We have poisoned our own troops with a common cleaning and degreaser chemical ... and our grandmas, too.

Maybe it's what's between the beginning and the end that matters.

Military, jet fuels may contain this chemical ...
Note the pesticide labeling of JP-2, 3, 4, 5, 6
and the warnings about defatted skin

www.valdezlink.com/jp4.htm