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Mother Margaret
February 03, 2004
Travis says he 'sleeps' 12-15 hours a day

Marky-Mark says

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Sleep, now there's a strange concept. I alternate a lot. Sometimes I sleep all the time because I'm so worn out, this is usually during the day, and other times I sleep very little due to nightmares, and nightsweats which are even worse. It sucks, because if you tell a doc that sometimes you sleep, and sometimes you don't, they average the two, and say it's normal.

Even though there is fatigue, this doesn't sound normal. I would fill in this chart You should have this info from your past medical testing, (Call the lab or speak to the nurse, and ask for them to read you the info over the phone & even mail a copy for your personal record)

but if not ... complete blood counts is important. Note absolute cell count link - Supposed to be easily part of the regular blood work. You want a check on the white blood cell count, too, to be sure nothing new is going on.

The not sleeping at night as 'normal' is most likely an expression of nervous system damage. (the other fatigue is some type of blood damage)

So, for the doctor to tell you that the two average out ... isn't exactly true, because we are not talking about normal tiredness

(Now this is if the chemical 2-butoxyethanol or diethylene glycol monobuytl ether is the culprit) Do you have this odd assortment of symptoms?

valdezlink.com/evos/health_changes.htm

or these valdezlink.com/scenario.htm

Then check into the harm caused by these chemicals. If not - ignore this info

and be thankful

We are praying for the gulf war vets at our church.
And
This is a prayer for those who are harmed by this chemical valdezlink.com/inipol_fellow.htm


Free audio sermons - www.firefighters.org

and some of my favorites

Robert
Member
February 04, 2004
I still think this place would be better served and trusted if links were pointed to well known news, health, research and Gulf War Illness links instead of a site you created.

From anyone's...especially new people's points of view, I can make a site with stuff on it. In my opinion, it all needs to be referenced to respectable establishments to have any credibility.

Mother Margaret
February 04, 2004
I appreciate your view. Many of the references I use are 'backed up' on my site; then I don't have to worry about whether or not they they are still posting ... or expect a viewer to dig it out on a search site; people don't have the time or energy for that.

I am eager to see doctors look at the bigger picture and not just focus on their specialty.

If more is checked in your blood, you will be writing new chapters in medical history, and that is the real proof. All I can do is study the chemicals for hours-on-end AND talk to many, many people who are harmed by it; and develop a theory which IS provable.

All the best.

Robert
Member
February 04, 2004
I just went and clicked around and found 3 outside links. One was to MSN's Encarta Encyclopedia showing definitions of terminology.

Another was the state of New Jersey's Hazardous substance sheet.

Another, which says "Source - EPA & CA Janitorial study" ( http://www.wrppn.org/janitorial/tools/butoxy.htm ) isn't a study at all. It looks to be a Hazard Summary and Health Effects of Butoxy Ethanol. Plus, the info is from the "New Jersey Department of Health". So where's CA and the EPA study come in? I don't see anything referring to either.

That's why I like for links to medical, news and research to be posted here. I know I don't have time searching someone else's site (except here maybe) to see if all the sources are credible and accurate.

And I'm still trying to see what it all has to do with our service in the Gulf War and Gulf War Illnesses. Of course, I was told not to go to SF to have the Gulf War research too because it was a "waste of my time", if I recall.

Mother Margaret
February 05, 2004
Good

And this is stated as a study http://www.wrppn.org/Janitorial/tools.cfm
http://books.nap.edu/books/030908458X/html/569.html#pagetop This is the page on solvents/pesticides, and if you look carefully you can find 4 or 5 that are the same as the chemicals I have been referencing: such as both of these and some of their 'synonyms'
valdezlink.com/same.htm

Check the chapters on solvents and pesticides, they have restated some information from the same sources I have used.

Here is a long list of some studies done on this, but mostly on rats/mice: valdezlink.com/2-b_research99-03.htm


This is a restate of MSDS & research on medical findings from Sigma-Aldrich Company Ltd. valdezlink.com/2-bmsds03.htm
Doctors interested can also get more detailed info on the medical research.

Nervous system damage study of such solvents http://www.whis.nzl.org/snftaas/pt17.html

and another written by Dr. Wm Rea http://home.unitynet.co.uk/geofjoan/chem_sen/chemsen1.html#top

What it does in a nutshell (plus endocrine disruption, apparently, too):

Causes irritation to the gastrointestinal tract. Symptoms may include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Toxic! May cause systemic poisoning
Skin Contact:
May cause irritation with redness and pain. May be absorbed through the skin with possible systemic effects.
Eye Contact:
Vapors are irritating and may produce immediate pain, redness and tearing. Splashes can cause severe pain, stinging, swelling.

Prolonged or repeated exposures can cause damage to the liver, kidneys, lymphoid system, blood and blood-forming organs.

Here is an outside source by our govt on what this chemical does to people http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/r?dbs+hsdb:@term+@rn+111-76-2

There are some references to testing done on my summary page here valdezlink.com/inipol/pages/testing.htm

Here is an example of why to 'back up' sources: Why isn't this EPA page still on their website? http://www.epa.gov/scipoly/oscpendo/prioritysetting/whatifscenarios.htm Never mind, I backed it up valdezlink.com/pesticides=endocrine_disruptors.htm

I am writing my Senators so when one of their friends or relatives is harmed by this chemical, they might recognize it; that they may hear from many more people as our public is education AND that Congress may ban it; EPA has not been much help; maybe they are TOO WEAK  Any studies of interest here?

An easy way to contact your US Legislators

 

Here's an outside source for 409 All Purpose cleaner Do you think it is safe to use? (A mini Corexit, at least as far as 2-butoxyethanol and ethylene oxide go.  hmm ... don't see any products, even 409 Cleaner that show up with CAS no 75-21-8 - Known to cause cancer - any exposure  - a 'deminimus' carcenogen)

 

ETHYLENE OXIDE (SUSPECTED 2A HUMAN CARCINOGEN BY IARC;
CONFIRMED ANIMAL CARINOGEN BY IARC & NTP)

 

More info on this 10-19-93 MSDS

What do you use that has these 2 chemicals today?  2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether

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2-7-04

Note:  Super Clean Degreaser contains 5-10% 2-butoxyethanol  *

Chemical Name:

2-Butoxyethanol

Formula:

C4H9OCH2CH2OH

CAS #:

111-76-2

Synonyms: 

Bucs,  Butoxyethanol,   N-Butoxyethanol,  2-Butoxyethanol,  2-Butoxy-1-Ethanol,   Butyl Cellosolve,  O-Butyl Ethylene Glycol,  Butyl Glycol,  Butyl Oxitol,   Dowanol EB,  Ektasolve EB,  Ethylene Glycol N-Butyl,   Gafcol EB,  Glycol Butyl Ether,  Glycol Ether EB,  Glycol Ether EB Acetate,  Glycol Monobutyl Ether,  Jeffersol EB,   Monobutyl Ether Of Ethylene Glycol,   Monobutyl Glycol Ether,  3-Oxa-1-Heptanol,  Poly-Solv EB 

Exposure Limits:

NIOSH REL: TWA 5 ppm
OSHA PEL: TWA 50 ppm
IDLH: 700 ppm

Uses:

Solvent for nitrocellulose, resins, grease, oil and albumin; dry cleaning; spray lacquers; quick-drying lacquers; varnishes; enamels; varnish removers; textiles (preventing Spotting in printing or dyeing); emulsifier for petroleum.

Some consumer products that may contain 2-Butoxyethanol include:

Paints, varnishes and lacquers; cleaning products

Routes of Exposure:

Inhalation, skin absorption, ingestion, skin or eye contact

Symptoms of exposure:

It is toxic by skin absorption and may be narcotic if ingested. Irritating to eyes, skin, nose, throat; Cough, nausea, drowsiness, headache, redness of eyes, eye pain, blurred vision, abdominal pain, diarrhea, vomiting, CNS depression, hemolysis, hemoglobinuria.

Target organs:

Eyes, skin, respiratory system, central nervous system, hematopoietic system, blood, kidneys, liver, lymphoid system

Effects of short-term exposure: 

Irritates the eyes, skin and respiratory tract. Can depress the central nervous system and cause liver and kidney damage.

Effects of long-term exposure: 

Exposure may result in blood disorders.

Special Warnings:

Prevent generation of mists!

05/10/01

Disclaimer: This factsheet has been prepared for informational purposes only and should not be construed as medical evidence or advice. The information in this factsheet was obtained from a number of reputable sources, but it has not been reviewed for accuracy.

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