| Gulf War
vet with MS - Shares what he did
Scott was asking
about MS - says 400 gulf war vets have it that he knows of. What he did in the gulf war:
"We
were in the front, but not the very front. My unit 3/6, 2nd
Marine Division, was the second wave of the front line. After the
breaching of the mine fields, we had POW's for a day, or so, and
then caught back up with the main body. We went to one of our
operations, which was to take out a communication center in a
huge crater in the ground. Air destroyed them so there was not
much for us to do there. We moved again and then set in in a
location where there were dead sheep as far as you could see. We
were on the edge of them but they were every where. We finally
moved to our major operation, Al Jahar (sp). We stayed on the
outskirts of the city awaiting orders. There was a land fill
right across the street from us."
"Some tunnels were found in the land fill so we went in and
cleared them out, that was fun. We never went into the city due
to the cease fire. At this position we were flanked by their
tanks. Our tanks moved in and destroyed them all, an amazing
site in the pitch dark. Did they have chemical ammunition on
them? Who knows, maybe, maybe not. I have read alot about the
demolition of the stock pile ammo in Khamisiah ( have no idea
how to spell it ). I have no idea where my unit was during that
time frame, I understand it was after the ground invasion was
over. No way to tell where we were. I did stay back on a rear
party to help clean some of the captured vehicles. We
cleaned tanks, and tracks. There is no real way of telling
what the hell happened. I was no where near aircraft. If we did
move it was by truck and when we did fly it was in helo's, but
we didn't fly during the ground action. Maybe one day some one
in power will get some balls and come forward, doubt it but
maybe." |
What did you clean with? How often did you clean your weapon/guns? and
with what?
| Scott,
"We cleaned our weapons all the time, several times a day.
We used what they called CLP, which they told us was cleaning,
lubricant, protectant. That is all we were allowed to use." |
That may be the cause of 2-butoxyethanol poisoning that I have been
harping on.
Do you think anyone can find out what the solvents are?
www.valdezlink.com/clp.htm
They don't name the solvent or the proprietary ingredient which is said
to be a linear hydrocarbon.
I believe it is a primary cause of 'gulf war syndrome'
And
I believe the govt has NO IDEA
| Scott:
"I have no idea how one would find out what it is, or
what's in it. It is not really like a solvent, in that it has a
petroleum base to it. It doesn't evaporate and it is oily. It
supposedly loosened up the carbon and oiled the weapon all in
one." |
Do you have fatigue? Someone in the military (can't find the
e-mail he sent) told me that the troops cleaned their gear (I think he
meant guns) daily with a product that contained 2-butoxyethanol.
Now, you note on what they do say, that for repeated use ... wear
goggles... etc, etc
I'll ask the chemist on GWV But, if you check more in your blood, you
will know (once they find the right test) whether this chemical has
harmed you: Such as the
Retic ratio and have a lab tech comment on the red blood cells! Are
they small? Ragged and beat up? or tear shaped and normal size? Can they
do the function of iron utilization/storage that mature red blood cells
do?
Do you have
fatigue?
That's the blood damage, but all the rest of gulf war syndrome is what
this chemical does
To
continue, "I got out in 91 and didn't have a problem with
anything until 94 when I started having problems with my vision.
I do have a problem with fatigue but that has come on in the
last few months, it is also a problem in MS. The doc put me on
Provigil for it and it seems to help.
You mentioned that someone you know said that they would clean
their gear with something that had that chemical in it. When we
would refer to gear, it is all the accessories but that stuff
was hand washed with soap and water. I did know of people who
would try and use oven cleaner to clean their weapon for a big
inspection but if you were caught doing that you got in BIG
trouble. I can only speak from my experience in the grunts, as
far as weapon cleaning goes. I have no idea what the troops did
who had the big guns, etc. I would "assume" that if
there was a problem with the CLP, it would have manifested
before this time frame, the Marine Corp has been using that
stuff for a looooooong time.
This is my personal opinion and I have no evidence to prove
anything, I think it is the result of a few things, environment,
chemical weapons, vaccines, and the mysterious pill.
You know one thing that I find amusing is that someone found a
web site that you could type in your ssn and it would tell you
where your unit was and the exposure you may have had from the
oil well fires. It showed me the right info. and it told me that
my unit was and that we were only above the limits (pel) from
the oil well fires for one day out of the 40+ days we were in
the smoke. I have a photo at home that was taken in the middle
of the day and way in the background you can see an orange line
from the sun. It was like that for a long time. I sent them a
message telling them that they were full of s***, of course I
will probably never hear from them. I always find it interesting
that so many people can tell you what you did or did not
experience when they weren't there or when no one bothered
taking down specific data." |
A National Geographic Magazine
overview.
You are right on all points
I do think the military and the general public has been harmed by this
chemical in many, many products for years and years...
Eyes? Have you had a good eye check up with an ophthalmologist? With
this chemical there is concern about damage to the eye tissues, maybe
even holes in retina.
Oven cleaner? Ouch! It can have up to 30% of pure 2(2-butoxyethanol) There
are a couple of brands on this list of products containing the compound
version. Which by the way, Gulf
War troops were also exposed to (but not thought to be this source,
of course.)
I know I don't know what you went thru; I just know that the one
chemical I studied that seem to cause all of the gulf war syndrome type
symptoms ... is also one of the
solvents/pesticides/poisons you were exposed to.
Now what the govt thinks it was in is one thing (I'd like to know) But,
as you can see, there may be other things that no one is even told
about.
And I think the doctors should check Attorney General John Ashcroft's
red blood cells for retic ratio and look at them under a microscope,
too. He had pancreatitis and now gall bladder removal surgery? Lots in
our group have the same. Even removal of swollen pancreas, spleen!
Margaret e-mail
3-10-04 |