Once Chad asked, What are the signs of 2-butoxyethanol harm? * * *

Immunology issues?  Help

Gulf War Vet

What are the Doctors Seeing?

Chad is now 34 years old.  He was an MP deployed out of Germany in 1990

Chad Pagel
212th MP CO
Gulf War Vet

"I suspect 2-butoxyethanol harm in Chad's case.  There is 'defatted skin' on his upper thighs where he set his gun cleaning rag; he stirred the 'out house' stuff when it was burning with 'kerosene'  Maybe actually jet fuel with some pesticide added."  Mother Margaret

Chad shares    .... having trouble breathing

Chad, could you ask your doctors what they are noticing in the bone marrow and liver that causes them to say you are having trouble there?

Also, I think the bowing over when you eat could have something to do with the pancreas which has digestive juices as part of it's function

I am also thinking about what you shared, that less than 2 years ago you were doing so much better.  Is there a possibility that you were in some way re-exposing yourself to the same chemical family that harmed you in the first place?

Remember, 2nd hand solvent exposure also happens with this chemical. other examples

You can be exposed to it in paint, oven cleaner, household cleaners like Simple Green, Lysol Tub 'n Tile, 409 Cleaner for starters. Check it out for yourself. What do you use that is 5% or more of this chemical?

 
Put in CAS no 111-76-2 (up to 5% concentration borderline OK, more, NO)
And then see what you use that is 2% or more of the complex version: put in 112-34-5


I suspect this chemical is the 'proprietary ingredient' in gun cleaner; I suspect, maybe in jet fuel, too. It can damage the central nervous system and cause a lot of violence that people cannot control. I suspect some of these are in our prisons. I suspect it causes a lot of break up of marriages, etc, etc.

Do you also have fatigue with your allergies? How do you feel? Any of these ailments?

I suspect that the fatigue doesn't show up as doctors expect it to BECAUSE the red blood cells are immature and dying off prematurely. So another clue of this chemical's harm is blood in urine.

Why I started looking into this

 
Margaret
 
1-11-05

And the headaches were so horrible! Hello,  since i have gotten my full medical benefits and retirements from the VA,  I can't get in for them to give me treatment.  They haven't said, done anything about my liver and bone marrow issues that they brought forward.  They have changed my medications to include Morphine SR 30 mg and Morphine IR 15 mg.  Among others, that is about all they have done since we last talked.  I need treatment for my mental issues (PTSD) .  I am having severe problems with my knee joints and hip joints daily.  In the line of work i was in, there were so many chemicals , metals, etc... i couldn't begin to think of what they were.  I was feeling somewhat better for a while, but it seems to be coming back again.  I need the sinus surgery, they state i have acute sinus disease.  That proves that i inhaled something that has eaten my sinus away. and they did rate me for that. 

 
Doctors are saying that it is their job to make my life as comfortable as possible:   like "well, we can't cure anything, but we can drug you up to make your life more comfortable"  Know what I'm saying?
 
Keep up with your good work,
Chad
OK
 
You can ask  them to mail you a copy of all your urinalysis and blood work
 
You can ask for them to give you their opinion on bone marrow, liver and psychiatric concerns.
 
God is still in the miracle working business and you guys would benefit from His intervention
 
Could you write both of your Senators, US Representative and Governor? 
 
We can't figure this out without more medical info.
 
How do you sleep at night these days?  I was talking with a local (who was a EMT during oil spill cleanup days that has found something that helps him sleep more than 2 hours a night)  He doesn't know he was affected by this chemical, but I think so
 
Since it is in so many things, it is important to educate your sons & wife to avoid it in every way they can.  Ask your wife to get the info on what chemicals were at the plant that you worked at.
 

So, what is the fatigue?  *    & what else? *

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OK to share my info, Mother Margaret
sure.  Here are the other medications I'm on:
 
Morphine Sulfate IR 15 MG Tab  - take one tablet as needed for pain every 4 hours
Morphine Sulfate SR 30 MG Tab - take 1 tablet every 12 hours
Valproic Acid 250 MG Cap  Take two capsules orally twice a day
Lorazepam 1MG -  take 1 tablet orally every 4 hours as needed for anxiety
Burporion HCL 150 MG 12HR SA Tab  Take 1 tablet twice a day.  Replaces Welbutrin XL
Levothyroxine NA (Synthroid) .175 MG tab -  Take 1 tablet daily for thyroid
 
I don't know really exactly what they all do
I'm telling you that I'm really worried about my joints.  They have been hurting so bad.  I am going to try to go to VA this week so they can look.  All I can do is just show up for like a sick call.  I did get my 100% benefits, but they still haven't issued me a card.
 Chad's Headaches

How well do you sleep?

I don't' sleep.  I forgot to add a prescription that I'm also on:
 
Amitriptyline HCL 50 MG Tab  -  Take one tablet orally at bedtime for sleep.
I have alot of racing thoughts at night (bed) time.  That is when I do a lot of my thinking of what happened.  I think so much will be helped if I can get some help for my PTSD.
 
As far as the pain meds, One is sustaining.  Always in my system.  that is the Morphine SR 30 MG  I don't think that is really a big dose, but the Morphine IR is for break through pain. Which is usually quite a lot of the time.  I'm kind of in limbo as far as my condition,  they diagnosed everything and compensated me $$ for it, but have yet to start really addressing them individually.  Chad

Chad, I asked an EMT from the Exxon Valdez oil  spill cleanup what his doctor prescribed for his sleeplessness.  He said it was for him like the 'magic bullet'  He used to barely get any sleep and now he can get 6-7 hours a night.  He said all the side effects are not known, and that he takes 1/4 of what the doctor said he could take:  'Remeron' or Mirtazapine  

I don't know anything about it, but maybe it would be worth asking your doctor about 1-12-05

Joint pain?

Now, when I heard 2 years ago about Robert Urich's rare joint problems,

 
I since have wondered about whether what he had might be similar to what some of those harmed by 2-butoxyethanol or similar chemicals (?)  I don't know, mind you
 
He worked in a steel mill as a young man, so that is what I think might have caused something like this
 
Don't think I know.  I don't.  But if doctors don't have anything definitive, ask them to check, if it's not too hard

OR it may be an autoimmune joint issue

 
Get the retic rate, and the size, shape and age of the red blood cells.  What are the membranes like?  Do you have compensated autoimmune hemolytic anemia?    www.valdezlink.com/men.htm
 
MM
 
If red blood cells are immature, white counts have to be done manually, and liver counts re-evaluated to get an accurate 'take'  What I learned by reading some definitions etc

The harm of 2-butoxyethanol is unrecognized  How to Recognize it  *

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