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  March 16, 2004 
Robert, Mark, Keith, Gale and other friends everywhere who help in this battle.

Last night after I posted the last message on recruiting, I had a seizure for the first time in my life in what was diagnosed at my local ER as a result of a severe migraine headache.

See, I live about 60 miles from VA Houston Hospital. Last night I begin to loose the ability to breath, the headache came on suddenly in such a way that it began to make me sick all over in the upper chest area and in the head. I thought I was having a real big heart attack. I did not think I would be able to make the drive down to the VA so I went to emergency room at the local hospital.

I was convulsing and shaking all over, even my teeth were hurting, blood pressure was 190 over 145 when I got there, my normal is 120 over 75, pulse was way up, my eyes were going dark.

They ran a bunch of tests including a cat scan. The doctor came in to tell me I was having a very severe migraine and that my symptoms along with other tests revealed by body was going into shock over the pain.

They shot me up with pain killer through IV and it did not even touch the pain, she then ordered a real strong dose which knocked me out for about 5 minutes, when I came to I could barely feel my body and the headache was still there but the sting was gone.

When we left the ER the hospital handed me a bill for over $2000 and said other bills would follow for Doctors and others as well.

I cannot help to think the love of money is behind such outrageous medical costs. In light that I was only in the ER about four hours.

On the way to the hospital it felt like the life was coming out of my body and I was dying. I have never in my life felt this way, but I can say in the last year or so I have felt like if my symptoms increase I would not live very long. I have a high tolerance of pain, but these days the pain has so increased I cant take it any more. I find my mental faculties and my reasoning ability escaping me.

I have barely enough strength to type this but I felt I should say what is on my heart as I react to what I read on this BB everyday I log on.

I believe in a creator and have sought Him my whole life. I have asked all the questions others have asked and learned much truth about studying His words both in English translations and in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, as well as experiencing the joys and sorrows of living on this planet.

So after some 35 years of research and 40 years of life what conclusion have I come to involves love and hate regarding this world.

I would define the world as a word which represents all that is bad which humans who walk on this planet as the soil or sod do to others.

Well I believe I cannot answer why people choose evil rather than good since good is so much more powerful than evil. But yet it is true people choose evil and in the course of this, consequences from their actions hurt others.

Without diving into what, how, why this current war in Iraq is going on, people are getting hurt. Look at the war we fought over 13 years ago, look at how it has hurt us, how it has hurt and affected others who care about these things, and how many of those who did not fight in that war still spend their time to care and exhibit those emotions by doing something to either fix the problem or help deal with the pain by bringing relief to those who suffer.

No question we are real people with real emotions, with real pain, and that are real people with genuine care and concern who can and do make a difference shows love.

I said all that and what else I have left to say by stating that based upon the power I feel in the words I read on this bulletin board which are in a small way a large voice about how love works, I am affected in a positive way.

I am affected because I can relate to how others feel, and I can benefit from others who care like Gale, Robert, and so many whose names escape my memory but deserve recognition, but remain to be named whenever I am lifted by their efforts to help me out according to the posts they make herein and elsewhere, but not only them to, but others everywhere as well.

I mean, who really wants people to suffer, who wants people in pain? Obviously the scriptures speak about the love of money, not money itself, but the love of it is the root of all evil.

Pain is an obvious result of people who love money, that is people who will do whatever they can to make money, even if it hurts others.

I wish now to shift gears away from that what is negative and show how the words, and deeds of those on this bulletin board, and others all over this land, who bring good to those who suffer in spite of what evil brings so much pain.

The first commandment states to love The Father with all heart mind and soul and the second is to love one's neighbor as one's self.

But the question then remains how to love and who is thy neighbor?

How to love the Father is not easy in a world of evil which brings pain to so many lives, a world which He created. Pain has a way of driving out love, no question about it. Then why the creation, if it has the potential to bring such pain?

So many years I have asked that question and here is the only answer I have ever been able to come up with. Love feels good and pain hurts.

Humans would never be able to feel love or pain if they were not created. Well then why were humans created with emotions which could feel? I don't have the answer to that one yet. But I do know if we choose to love others we escape pain ourselves.

Another way of saying this is that in all the studies I have conducted in scripture I have found an underlying theme, love represents what is good, and evil what is bad. The actions of love represent selfless service to others, and evil represent self service.

There is some hidden miracle in the act of helping others which affects our feelings in a good way, a feel good way.

The love of money is rooted in the philosophy that if one can gather enough money they can buy that which will make them feel good. Hollywood is a god example about how this philosophy is a failure. Actors reap in millions of dollars for such a small effort in regards to actual labour, but it is clear from the divorces, drug addiction, and other results of the profits the money is simply not buying happiness.

Politicians have been fleecing the tax payers since the beginning of time, and taking the revenues and redirecting them for their own bank accounts and the bank accounts of their friends. Remember the old cliché "it is not what you know but who you know".

Our county is a perfect example of this. The prescription drug industry and the DoD budget are enough to prove it without a shadow of a doubt.

Reaching out helping others is the epitome of love. Those who love deserve mercy. Love is a choice, I have learned this much on life. The more we love the more our character changes into what love is.

Even those who fall prey to the love of money and hurt others deserve mercy, but this is not easy to say or give when one is on the receiving end of the pain.

Mercy is a big word which brings thoughts of who and how they deserve it.

I think the answer is found in the second commandment. Those who are willing to follow the second commandment according to scripture are those who will receive that mercy, not only from their Creator, but from their neighbor. The others will perish in their greed. The others will never see the love which can bring that which truly feels good, that feel good that money cannot touch.

I remember when Howard Hughes died, I think at that time he was the richest man in the world. In the world that is, not on this planet. The word rich can also mean someone who has wealth in other ways. Wealth as in friendship and love. Rich in friends and love. So there is no doubt there are people in this world who live on this planet who are rich in love, and rich in happiness, while they have very little if any money.

For those who do not believe in the Creator, still the principle of loving thy neihbor stands to benefit them as well because the happiness surfaces when people love one another instead of try to hurt one another.

This bulletin board has been an avenue of help and not hurt, an avenue of friendship which reveals how rich those who spend their time on here helping others, are.

The word neighbor is a bit vague in the English setting in that we generally think the word to mean someone who lives next door to us, or even a neighboring country. Neighbor is also been known to represent a friendly gesture when expressed in terms of a greeting to someone like a stranger who we cross paths with, which gesture "hello friend" has the ability to set a setting of peace.

This translation says:
Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Neighbour is Greek for "Plesion" with a meaning like this- a neighbour
a friend any other person, and where two are concerned, the other (thy fellow man, thy neighbour), any member of the Hebrew nation and commonwealth according to Christ (anointed), any other man irrespective of nation or religion with whom we live or whom we chance to meet.

So the command represents not just words but actions towards others, of course most everyone assumes this.

In the Hebrew, it simply means Shaken (shaw-kane'); Adjective

inhabitant, neighbour

So the Hebrew word inhabitant has great and profound meaning to it historically, in that it represents habitants who live near one another.

Given evil in this world it is safe to assume that one would not inhabit next to evil, but would inhabit next to a friend.

This bulletin board has given me the opportunity to inhabit next to peace, friends, and those who care.

Friendship has a far reaching definition in that it represents someone with certain characters which reflect behaviors according to actions which represent the actions of good things towards other people in a friendship setting. The scope is simple, peace, love, and care all wrapped up in an action which others can feel, and feel it they do in a good way.

Now it is obvious from the characteristics that the VA exhibit, that would be those humans in the VA which make the rules and bring forth the procedures which are so injurious to all Veterans, that one, Veterans would probably not consider those folks as someone they would inhabit next to, someone who has not the characteristics of a friend, certainly not having the behavior of one either, second, it is clear the VA desires not to have peace with those who it serves. Certainly not showing any love either.

So then where is the buffer in all this where Veterans can go and get relief?

It is found in the actions of those who exhibit inhabitable, peaceable, and loving kindness towards others.

This is what is reflective of the second commandment. Love not hurt.

This bulletin board I have found to represent that. I don't find people on hear out to hurt me, but to help, even if the help is nothing more than a few words in response to a post.

It is found in the pictures posted, the revisit of articles posted on the news, studies, concern for others, suffering which is spoke about, the defeats and failures shared, the triumphs and even the fight which other Veterans put up against the ill tactics of the VA.

Yet all these things represent what people, real people are doing. It is like being in the fox hole with someone who is willing to fight, when I read the posts on this BB, and even other posts on other BB and in the news as well which capture the issues which surround our lives.

Loving your neighbor is really a simple thing to do. I find this love in some of the simple words posted here. Even the long well documented researched articles exhibit this love for one's neighbor.

Why else would someone post articles which help others?

Robert is a MD, yet he has never examined me, nor have I ever sought what special medical care he is trained for. His words, his posts, have treated my injury and illness in ways which show he desires not only to be a good neighbor, but reflects the scriptural aspect of love in the carefully selected words and articles which bring hope.

It is obvious he cares to take the time to make such posts, but also his actions show he is concerned about all of our well beings in a way which prove the love the second commandment speaks about.

A Great loving man once said-
Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

The term "persecuted for righteousness sake" is sometimes hard to understand.

I certainly believe that those who stepped up to the plate and volunteered to maintain our freedom as a nation in the military, regardless of the reason, those who expend their efforts to bring healing in whatever way they can to those who suffer from illness and injury due to the adverse nature of defending such freedom on battlefields, represent the type of inhabitants scripture speaks about in terms of righteous.

They represent the example of what love is commanded to be expressed towards neighbors..

In the efforts of these people obvious persecution is bound to happen. Not only is it bound we see it happening every day we Veterans, and others who stand with us, must deal with the VA and even Americans who could care less about us.

In reality the VA represents the attitude which Americans exhibit to others. If Americans everywhere really cared they would put a stop the VA just like when someone decides to stop payment on a check, they go down to the bank and fill out the necessary paperwork and make it so.

Blessed is another word sometimes hard to understand, but I think the people on here are blessed, blessed in a way where what they have chosen to do in life has been honorable in such a way as to reflect the choices they have made to serve for a cause, and then suffer from it.

What is striking about this group is that their choice to serve and those others choice to help those who served reveals their true love, their inhabitability, true characteristics, truly blessed.

These folks herein have stepped up to the plate and said I will serve no matter the costs, for the benefit of others.

Is not this true love? The is this not also the example of those who suffer for righteosness sake?

What we have all done is righteous. It is right and not wrong.

Your choice to choose right provides power to me to press on and keep fighting evil.

Their certainly is power in numbers, even if the numbers are few.

Good always defeats evil. Sometimes it takes time, but it defeats it.

The term soldier to me represents someone who is willing to make a fight for what is right, even if they stand in the valley of the shadow of death alone, the very power they have within themselves to fight for what is right will bring them all the good they can ever ask for.

I believe that, and I believe that if we stand together and love one another and make our homes into homes which are places others would like to inhabit next to, and be neighbors who are there to help one another out, not even the VA, in all it's behmoth size, can bring us down.

United we stand remember divided we fall.

I am thankful to be untied with those who have decided to stand for what is right, it makes me feel good inside to be inhabited with people like that.

At the end of the day I know I joined to serve my country to maintain it's freedom. Now I wake up to see I am gathered together with others who have done the same in whatever way they have chosen.

Whatever valley we find ourselves in which shadow of death is cast upon us will only be chased away by what good we do for one another. This good which is done for me from people like you, is what strength I feel inside to press on.

I think that is the definition of love. Love provides unmeasurable power for people to press on.

I will close and say the people on this bulletin board have provided me with power they can never know they had. Their words have provided me some joy.

I would be remiss not add one last proposition. What then does the term American mean in all this and where does it fit in?

Well I am sure volumes could be written about this subject.

But I can say that America represents the posts, the words, the articles, the stories, the failures, the triumphs, the deeds of those on here, it is what makes people who stand against us with the shadow of death known as failures and those who stand for what right is and suffer from it's battle arduously;

What is called friend, neighbor, what is known as peace, inhabitable, what is good and what is love, what is blessed.

What is called and known as American.

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Sunshine
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March 18, 2004     
My God how honored I am to have read what you wrote here. Can you take the information from that local ER to the VA ER and get more help from them?

I'm crying like a baby by myself here in the dark because my husband had a similar experience with an inexperienced ER doctor. Last May by the time I was able to get transport for him, he was within 3 hours of dying. The DR. at our local ER sent him home with muscle spasms in his back when he actually had Sepsis and was in Renal failure suffering Gran-Mal seizures. It is so hard.

I can not express to you how much this posting has affected me, and you must know how much love comes to all of you when I read and respond. We all are living a "Horror" story and it is painful when one of you get in trouble and can't get the help that you deserve because of their lack of education on this subject.

Enough is truly Enough!

Mother Margaret

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March 20, 2004   
... and renal failure, Sunshine? So sorry for your loss (Kidney damage is part of what the chemical, 2-butoxyethanol does
...clarification from Sunshine, "Mother Margaret, thank you for the sentiment, however, my husband was just barely saved. I'm happy to report that he has recovered from his near death experience. It did add a few other problems to his portfolio. He will eventually die from all of the problems that he has, however, God seems to see fit right now to gift him to me each and every day. Love to you"

I spoke with a recent military man, with what I would call very advanced 'gulf war syndrome' symptoms. A Green Beret just returning from Afghanistan has the assorted 'symptoms' and also said he had a grande mal seizure & it almost took his life.

Grande mal seizures - for military

There was a comment recently on a gulf war vets discussion forum from a gulf war vet who had had a grande mal seizure, asking for input.

This is something to do with the Central Nervous System?

quote:
"In young people seizures can be from metabolic disorders, such as abnormal blood levels of sugar (glucose), calcium, magnesium, vitamin B6, or sodium. Seizures starting after age 25 may be caused by structural damage to the brain such as from a head injury, stroke, or tumor. When no cause can be identified, seizures are called idiopathic.

People with a seizure disorder are more likely to have a seizure when they are under excess physical or emotional stress or deprived of sleep. Strong stimuli that irritate the brain--such as injury, certain drugs, sleep deprivation, infections, fever, low levels of oxygen in the blood, or very low levels of sugar in the blood--can trigger a seizure whether a person has a seizure disorder or not. These seizures are known as "provoked seizures." Avoiding such stimuli can help prevent seizures."


Giving you massive medication for pain relief, was in itself harmful, I believe.

Some interesting points.

When you have a lot of ailments, docs prescribe a lot of medication. This Green Beret said he was on way more medication that he was used to taking. I am sharing this info (and more) hoping he will get an accurate diagnosis & stop this carnage among our troops today. He also talked about the bones hurting in the back and neck. Can this type of fatigue lead to paralysis? Symptoms - technical terms - Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia info
Checking Retic ratio may give an indication that hemolytic anemia is on the 'horizon'

The current military man had a lot of exposure to the solvents in gun cleaning compounds, but try as I might, I cannot find out what these solvents are. www.valdezlink.com/hb/grande_mal_seizures.htm   AND

Maybe in the interest of National Security - Product Developers will give up their proprietary ingredients, which most likely weren't supposed to be proprietary in the first place

In any of your medical records, was a 'retic' ratio ever done? If it is 'off' it would be an indication that the one chemical I share on ... may be the 'culpret' here - and a cause of lack of oxygen in your system. You may appear to be OK in that area, but doctors must check further

3-20-04                                   What else to check the blood for - size of red blood cells:

March 05, 2004        
quote:
BraveRifles: Anemia with small red blood cells? Has anyone been told they are anemic not as in low number of red blood cells but the size of them? I am a Gulf War vet and have always been suspicious of any symptoms I have had. After a long bout with excessive fatigue I had blood work done, everything was normal but this.

healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=150278

gulfwarvets.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000154.html


My Reply: (Dear Maggie on this forum -Mother Margaret usually)  e-mail

Are small red blood cells, baby red blood cells?

One exposure gulf war vets had was to these solvents: 2-butoxyethanol and diethylene glycol monobutyl ether. These are also pesticides and they are poisons.

This chemical can cause all the symptoms of 'gulf war syndrome' and in particular the literature on the chemical says that it causes hemolytic anemia. This is a mystery, because unless you are a blood specialist, it isn't easily findable by the group of workers KNOWN to be exposed to this chemical: 1000 bioremediation workers of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill cleanup in Inipol EAP 22.

Some information suggests you could first have compensating hemolytic anemia in which the bone marrow compensates for the premature destruction of red blood cells, but these immature red blood cells are low functioning and thus your fatigue. Retic ratio may be the first step towards seeing if the ratio between mature and immature red blood cells is normal, or if something indicates otherwise.

One doctor shared that new red blood cells are large-sized. Hmm, but how is your iron? Maybe if they don't contain enough iron (needed to make red blood cells, by the way) they could be smaller sized. Doctors don't think that exposure to a chemical long years ago would have any of that chemical in your system. That is likely true; however, the harm done should be measurable. The blood is said to be damaged first and to underlie all the other harm it causes.

I am so hopeful that doctors who understand these things will help you and the many others even in the general population who are harmed by this chemical. It is in many, many products and the public is not suspecting the serious harm it can cause.

People don't take the warnings on home cleaning products seriously. What Should the Hazard warnings be on products? Why not say instead that they will have damaged: blood, liver, kidneys, skin, eyes, central nervous system including depression and short term memory loss, and suicidal tendencies; endocrine system (high blood pressure/high blood sugar/reproductive damage) and tell them, too, it doesn't take much exposure to cause this! The more exposure the sooner you die; and the more horrible the death. Cancers very probable. Children at risk for birth defects and leukemia and tumor of the brain. Multiple existing health studies 'skewed' because the primary cause is not mentioned or known: 2-butoxyethanol poisoning

Do you also have any of these symptoms of hemolytic anemia:
Other symptoms you might notice:

  • Chills
  • Fatigue
  • Pale color
  • Shortness of breath
  • Rapid heart rate
  • Yellow skin color (jaundice)
  • Dark urine (indicative of blood in urine - never dismiss this! Stop exposure immediately!)
  • Enlarged spleen

You say your eyes are burning and hurting now?  *
This is an indication you could be re-exposing yourself still today  

to this same chemical!  

You can have significant hemolysis and it not show up in blood counts

More effects:
It is the red blood cells that are damaged. Ask for the Retic ratio and ask for a lab tech to comment on the red blood cells. And realize 2-butoxyethanol causes:

Narcosis 
Damage to the kidneys 
Damage to the liver 
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Erythropenia 
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Reticulocytosis 
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Granulocytosis 
Present an abnormal blood picture showing: Leukocytosis 
Likely to Cause Fragility of Erythrocytes 
Likely to Cause Hematuria 

You may be experiencing 2nd hand solvent exposure - an example

www.valdezlink.com/usa_hoodwinked.htm

More input on the blood - also this forum gulfwarvets.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000099.html

My most important post in 21 months   * And gulfwarvets.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000019.html

BraveRifles learned that his numbers of red blood cells was OK, but they were small-sized This could mean that they are immature with not enough mature red blood cells. Have the lab tech look at the Red Blood Cells and comment. Ask the doctor to order a 'Retic' ratio (an add on blood test that only costs about $50)


Blood is the only fluid tissue in the body. Blood transports oxygen and nutrients to body tissues, and returns waste and carbon dioxide. Blood distributes nearly everything that is carried from one area in the body to another place within the body. For instance, hormones are transported from the endocrine organs to their target organs. Blood helps maintain body temperature and normal pH levels in body tissues. The protective functions of blood include clot formation and the prevention of infection.

Some charts to help you track what you blood is like now, vs before - when you were well

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February 19, 2004 
What does blood do? MY BLOOD BOILS every time I read a post from you that relates ALL of our illnesses to 2-butoxyethanol. We DID NOT bathe in JP-5, we DID NOT guzzle CLP rifle cleaner and we DID NOT use oils and solvents as sun tan lotion! We WERE however, given experimental shots, we WERE exposed to chemical/biological agents,we WERE forced to take PB pills, and we WERE scared to freakin death every time an NBC alarm went off in the middle of the night as we would scramble to get our bearings and don and clear our gas masks. I do not mean to be rude Margaret, but I for one am sick of the same answers and links from you post after post after post after post after post. Well now that I have had my little fit, I guess I will head out to the garage and drink a six pack of 10w40 motor oil with a WD40 and Formula 409 chaser. Ummmmmmmmmm Ummmmmmmm Good!

RAT... RATnaCAGE

P.S.- cant we just stick to known facts on this site that will actually help vets with treatment and claims?

 

February 20, 2004 
I myself would really like to know how and why the valdez oil spill has to do with gulf war illness.

I know that if you can take any chemical and begin the inflammation process , at the basic level it is only about delaying the final insult which is death and the inflammation process destroying cells to try and keep the tissues living.

But I would like to know what treatments are available.
And as far as z .

opposition to this site reinforces that something good must be being done here.

dd  ddgarzilla
Administrator

February 20, 2004
I think the relationship between exposures of the Alaska oil spill and the Gulf War is that many of us were exposed to petroleum by-products in either the oil itself, or the smoke from the oilwell fires. That's as far as I can see in the relationship, because both exposures produce same or similar health conditions for which there is little research and treatment.

As far as the effects of cleaning products that contain petroleum by-products, I think it's stretching that issue as it applies to combat veterans who were exposed to a whole lot more in the AOR. However, if research and effective treatments can be found for the least of these exposures, we may have hope in treating some of the others.

I have been able to find some interesting information from Margaret's links on conditions, research, and treatments from toxic exposures, and for that alone, I appreciate what she has done.

When I was first fighting this illness and going through the claims process, I really didn't give a lot of thought or credence to those who said they were sick and didn't deploy to the AOR. I was quite a "combat snob" at the time. The thought of some of these conditions arising as a result of bad vaccines was almost laughable to me at the time-- until I realized many people can't even take flu shots (even with a good batch of vaccine). Many people are allergic to the ingredients that is derived from shellfish in flu shots. It took a while for me to even realize the effects of the other prophylactics on everyone, even though I had ended up in the field hospital for 3 days from the side-effects of the anti-malarial tablets.

Then, as research and reports began to take place, we found that Bioport (the only maker of anthrax vaccine) had, indeed, given us a bunch of outdated vaccines that hadn't even been inspected by the FDA. So, now we have an entire group of veterans left out in the cold, regarding VA benefits and treatments even though they were prepped for war with inoculations, but didn't deploy. And what about the vets who DID use a lot of cleaning fluids and products who didn't deploy, but are now sick? Or the Navy folks who weren't close to everything on land in the AOR, but who had been involved in grinding antiskid materials on aircraft carrier decks:
http://www.va.gov/publ/direc/health/infolet/109904.doc
(March 5, 1999
UNDER SECRETARY FOR HEALTH'S INFORMATION LETTER
RESPIRATORY DISEASES IN FORMER NAVY DECK GRINDERS)


Now, as I look around, we even have civilians who have been affected by either inoculations, or direct exposure in cleaning the equipment that came back from the war. I had company these past two weeks with a friend of mine who worked at Rota, Spain during the Gulf War as a civilian, who is now sick with conditions we have, as a result of having to clean the equipment that came back to Spain from the Gulf War.

Can we really justify the toxic and hazardous exposures, without aggressive research and treatment to ANYONE? Not in my humble opinion. So, who is it we are trying to help here? Just those who were in the AOR during the war? Those who were part of the war effort, but not deployed? Everyone involved in the war effort (including civilians)?

I can only serve best in the areas I am most familiar with and try to learn and pick up a few things along the way from others, trying to keep an open mind. For the purpose of helping vets get VA benefits, I can only really help those who are eligible by the VA's criteria of being service-connected by virtue of being in the AOR during the Gulf War.

For the purpose of helping anyone else who is sick from the other effects of toxic exposures, I can only try to provide as much information as possible on what research and treatments are available in the civilian sector and refer them to Social Security benefits, as well. Possibly, we may learn from each other as to the research and treatments, at least, regardless what exposures we're dealing with.

Gale

February 20, 2004 

I have to agree with the 2 fellas. I, for one, easn't exposed to the oil or fires, never used the cleaners or any of the stuff. However, I, along with at least 100,000 other U.S. troops were exposed to chemicals and there is proof of that and the problems it can cause. Here's more info I found on the Pitt's website:
       gulfwarvetlawsuit.com/page6.html (Birth defects - Cancers of Mustard Gas)

Robert

 February 20, 2004
MOST EVERYBODY THAT HAS BEEN BANNED FROMTHIS BULLEINT BOARD HAS BEEN BANNED FOR HARPING ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS MULTIPLE CHEMICAL EXPOSURES AND INSULTS , INCLUDING THE MOST FILTHIEST OF THE OIL FIELDS IN THE WORLD BEING IN KUWAIT.

i AM ONE THAT WAS EXPOSED TO ALL OF THE ABOVE.

VET JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT WERE JUST INOCULATED AND DIDN'T LEAVE CONUS, AND OTHERS THAT DID, DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DIMINISH THOSE THAT WERE NOT IN THE THEATRE OF OPERATIONS FROM GETTING ILL.

and IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT THOSE OF US WHO WERE EXPOSED TO THE OIL WELL FIRES AND DRENCHED WITH OIL, DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T NEED THE HELP OF THOSE WHO HAVE GOTTEN BETTER RESEARCH FOR THEIR AILMENTS SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT VETERANS.

VETERANS ARE A CLASS OF PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES. iN SOME WAYS WE ARE TREATED BETTER AND IN OTHERS TOTALLY DISREGARDED DEPENDING ON THE POLITICAL CLIMATE OF THE TIMES.

IT IS GOOD TO GET TREATMENT AND INFO OUTSIDE THE VA SYSTEM NOW AND THEN.

dd  ddgarzilla
Administrator

Partial Reply - 'What to do with the Valdez spill?And similarities of cleanup? AND

Immune System May be the Primary Damage  3-1-05  Immunoglobulin A, B, M ?

valdezlink.com/doctors_need_medical_break-thru_.htm

 

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