Post 1:  July 25, 2005

recently went for a c reactive protien test.Mainly because the inflamation in my joints was killing me.The levels were high an it was caused from a strain of streep.I took penicilin for 9 days an my joints are back to normal.This problem has been with me now for 9 years.An all it was ,was a simple strain of streep.To offen doctors now adays miss the simple things.I suffered for 9 years.Ever notice how the gulf war syndrome studys always come up empty handed.Or they need more money to study further.Lets stop this abuse together.Go for a c reactive protien test an let me know how you make out. Monsoon12
Oct 9, 2005:

I found out mine was high due to a strain of strep.We took penicilin,a very high dose.It cleared it up.My numbers are back to normal.My joints feel like they never felt before.Some doctors dont like to give antibiotics anymore.Im telling you ,i went 9 years in pain.Tell your doctor you want penicilin an a heavy dose.I had the same thing that you mentioned about the heart.The reason was because the type of strep i had didnt effect the heart.Let me know how you make out.If you want to talk about this i would love to hear from you.You can contact me at monsoon12@optonline.net. I really want to know how you make out.  Monsoon12
Post 3:  January 1, 2006

Well its a new year an time to get back to are issues.First any info on gulf war issues is great.So fellow vets keep writing.I want to let you know how its been now after 4 months after finding high c-reative protiens .First off it was a form of strep that caused mine.I can tell you after 10 years of walking around like a cripple i am back to my old self.I even went running in recent months.I can say today that my joint pain is cured.Ive asked others to let me know if they get there levels checked an what they find out.Though no one has responed back.Thats your choice.Though remember its the veteran who helps the veteran.I see hawk an dear maggie have some really good info that all vets should take a look at.I can tell you from dealing with the va if your waiting on them you will be waiting the rest of your life.Then when your 90 the goverment will come out an admit to what they did.Find the cures people an pass them on to other vets .Either through this site or go to the local newspapers.Get the word out.What may work for you may work for hunderds of other vets.I cant stress enough ITS THE VETERAN WHO HELPS THE VETERAN.Well happy new year all an lets get some rock hard answers this year. Monsoon12
Maybe this is part of the autoimmune metabolic issues

those exposed to 2-BE often have to deal with - High Cholesterol? too

What are 'clues' that you have been exposed to 2-butoxyethanol?

It is an exposure for some gulf war troops, you know

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I was looking through some govt site explaining medical terms .... & it does appear that abnormal reading on the C Reactive Protein test could be off ... when there are autoimmune issues someone is dealing with

Autoimmune disease may also alter the results of the following tests:

erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR)
C-reactive protein (CRP)

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000816.htm

and hemolytic anemia is one of the autoimmune things that 2-butoxyethanol or diethylene glycol monobutyl ether would cause.

The NJ Hazard sheet was the easiest for me to understand about this chemical exposure/effects:
http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0275.pdf

When doctors notice that flu-like symptoms may be a chemical poisoning and not a virus ... and that very high blood sugar accompanying ... could also signal this particular chemical exposure ... and when they also add more urinalysis testing (looking for blood in urine) and chopped up or small sized red blood cells, we will come closer to eliminating this from exposure possibilities.

Please consider joining my discussion forum on this chemical & it's multiple effects on many groups of people, most especially, in my opinion, the gulf war vets with 'the illness'

http://groups.msn.com/Avoid2-BEforHealth-MM
the chemical I'm talking about can hurt housewives, mechanics, carpenters, and military, too

Margaret Diann


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Take a stand against injustice.

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Tests could be off - if autoimmune issues are present?
 

Maybe this is part of the autoimmune metabolic issues

those exposed to 2-BE often have to deal with -  High Cholesterol? too

What are 'clues' that you have been exposed to 2-butoxyethanol?

It is an exposure for some gulf war troops, and many in the general population:  housewives & others who clean a lot, carpenters, mechanics, painters & military in general

per some medical terms   http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000816.htm
 .... it appears that abnormal reading on the C Reactive Protein test could happen ... when there are autoimmune issues someone is dealing with

Autoimmune disease may also alter the results of the following tests:

erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR)
C-reactive protein (CRP)


and hemolytic anemia may be one of the primary autoimmune things that 2-butoxyethanol or diethylene glycol monobutyl ether would cause.

The NJ Hazard sheet was the easiest for me to understand about this chemical exposure/effects: http://www.state.nj.us/health/eoh/rtkweb/0275.pdf  and also

When doctors notice that flu-like symptoms may be a chemical poisoning and not a virus ... and that very high blood sugar accompanying ... could also signal this particular chemical exposure ... and when they also add more urinalysis testing (looking for blood in urine) and chopped up or small sized red blood cells, we will come closer to eliminating this from exposure possibilities.

When red blood cells are mostly immature (if that's what small-sized red blood cells mean) then many other tests are also off:  white counts may read too high? ... liver counts reading higher than they otherwise would?

Computer results would not be accurate in this case ... & blood results would have to be calibrated manually - or adjusted for this fact.  Since the liver is one of the organs (along with kidney, nervous system, etc) that could be affected by ethylene glycol monobutyl ether ... and could possibly be aftected ... be sure this is considered when evaluating the effects of medications which could be causing harm without realizing it?

The research is done on what 2-butoxyethanol can do
 
My focus:   recognizing it ... when people are affected
And well I know that, because the EVOS workers have only this chemical, after oil - and the blood would look different if it were the cleanup chemical ... than if it were the oil that was affecting them.

Gulf war vets' forum:

http://www.gulfweb.org/fusetalk/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=298&STARTPAGE=1
c-reactive protein r

What Dr REG shared on this topic (He is an MD in oncology and microbiological studies, too, I believe):
C REACTIVE PROTEIN IS THE MOST PRIMITIVE HUMORAL DEFENSE MOLECULE FOUND IN THE LOWER PHYLA. IT WAS PRESENT IN COELENORATES BEFORE WHITE CELLS AND ANTIBODIES APPEARED FOR HOST DEFENSE. IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME AS A MOLECULE THAT IS OPEN MUCH LIKE AN UMBRELLA UNTIL IT HITS A FOREIGN OR DAMAGED PROTEIN. ON CONTACT THE UMBRELLA COLLAPSES AROUND THE MATERIAL TO ESSENTIALLY NEUTRALIZE IT. IT NOW WORKS FOR LEUKOCYTES MUCH LIKE A TAG NOTIFYING THE CELL TO PHAGOCYTIZE IT AND DESTROY IT.

ANY INFLAMMATORY PROCESS, INFECTIOUS, AUTOIMMUNE, DEGENERATIVE, TRAUMATIC AND NEOPLASTIC CAN ELEVATE C REACTIVE PROTEIN. DROPS IN THE C REACTIVE PROTEIN INDICATES IMPROVEMENTS IN THE ABOVE SITUATIONS, ASSUMING NUTRITION IS ADEQUATE AND NEGATIVE NITROGEN BALANCE IS NOT PRESENT. THE ELEVATION IS AS NON-SPECIFIC AS FEVER IS CLINICALLY.

DR. REG

 

High c-reactive protein counts?
I suspect an autoimmune immune system overall ...
So you wouldn't know why they are elevated?
"Any damaged tissue results in release or activation of mechanisms to elevate C reactive protein." HRMcD

 

My question on using glyconutrients for help for this 

& other ailments such as diabetes:

 his reply:
"This has worked for many. Some diabetics respond to a slow increase in PLUS or Sport, others to standard Ambrotose. More of the complex sugars are absorbed from the GI tract when mixed 1:1 with granular soy lecitin.

Two books explain more about what is going on than my first 35 years in medicine. Nutrition Against Disease, and Biochemical Individuality both by Roger J. Williams, Ph.D. the father of pantothenic acid, folic acid and phosphadyl inositol."

Dr. Reg

Repost  7-23-06

I think "outside the box," 

and consider what this chemical might do,

 before I accept the commonly held beliefs about diabetes, 

and other possible autoimmune issues.

As to bird flu


A word of encouragement yesterday from someone 

who has been tracking with me for over 3 years:

Diann,
You are not wasting your time; you are on to something. When we feel passionately about something, a person needs to balance the cause with their ordinary life. Rosa Parks was willing to go to jail her cause.

While your cause is not so political as it is environmental;
you are going against some big money people. It may have or could affect your ordinary life. With any cause comes two questions: how far am I willing to go? and is my judgment fair and balanced? Only you can answer those questions.
Keep on trucking,
Mr P