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Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans. |
Gale
Administrator |
March
11, 2004
Source
1: J Clin Immunol. 2004 Jan;24(1):66-73. Links
Cellular immune activation in gulf war veterans.
Skowera A, Hotopf M, Sawicka E, Varela-Calvino R, Unwin C,
Nikolaou V, Hull L, Ismail K, David AS, Wessely SC, Peakman M.
Department of Immunobiology, King's & St. Thomas' School of
Medicine, King's College London, London, UK.
The etiology and pathology of illnesses related to the first
Persian Gulf War are unclear. Among the constellation of symptoms
noted in sick veterans, some, such as skin rashes, musculoskeletal
pains, and neuropsychiatric problems, have been proposed to
reflect an underlying immune dysfunction. In this study we
explored the hypothesis that sickness following deployment to the
Gulf in 1991 is associated with altered immune function, and we
examine possible associated exposures. In particular, we focused
on peripheral blood Th1/Th2 balance by measuring intracellular
production of IFN-gamma, IL-2 (Th1), IL-4 (Th2), and IL-10 by CD4
T cells, using a nested case control study design within a large
epidemiological survey. We compared symptomatic Gulf War veterans
(sGWV) with well GWVs (wGWV), and a second control group of
symptomatic veterans who served in Bosnia or were nondeployed
military personnel of the same era. We found evidence for an
altered immune status in sGWV in comparison to the other study
groups. In particular, ongoing Th1-type immune activation was
associated with multisymptom illness in GWVs, with sick veterans
having significantly elevated levels of IFN-gamma and IL-2
producing CD4+ cells in the absence of in vitro stimulation
compared with wGWVs ( P = 0.01 and P =0.001). In vitro polyclonal
activation revealed significantly elevated levels of IL-10
producing memory CD4 cells in sGWVs ( P <0.001), but other
cytokines were normal. In terms of possible exposures that might
influence immune function, we found a trend for reduced levels of
IFN-gamma producing cells after polyclonal activation with
increasing numbers of vaccines administered ( P <0.05) but no
changes in other cytokines. These data show that multisymptom
illness in Gulf War veterans is characterized by ongoing Th1-type
immune activation and a biased generation of memory cells
secreting the suppressor cytokine, IL-10.
PMID: 14997036 [PubMed - in process]
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mark
Member |
March
11, 2004
In Laymens terms what does it all mean.Is the vaccines at fault or
what?
Mark A
USN
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Mother
Margaret
Member |
March
14, 2004
Does this fit?
quote:
from Donna, RE: Severe itching, rash, brought about by weird
things Just a thought here; sometimes this kind of reaction
can be a precursor to an auto-immune disorder, of which there
are several, some not so good. Do a search on it and see if any
of it may fit you.
and
quote:
from Genabeena, "One more quick note- my immunologist does
think that this is a sort of malfunction of my immune system and
definitely not an allergy. Chronic cases are generally not
thought to be allergy related at all (as I've gathered from my
research). The way he explained it was that the hives are one of
the body's natural defenses against illness, and although it
can't be explained why this has happened, my immune system
somehow went into overdrive and just keeps misfiring again and
again."
May be an immune problem ... for the chemical that I've
learned about, yes immune system is 'out of whack' I expect the
fatigue to be acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia, so your body
(immune system) is killing off your own red blood cells
prematurely. As long as bone marrow compensates it doesn't show up
much in the red blood cell counts; but the immature red blood
cells are low functioning. Check some of these sources of exposure
to 2-butoxyethanol
Posted here: healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144758&page=3&pp=5
http://www.valdezlink.com/hb_immune_problem_.htm
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Pam
Member |
March
14, 2004
Hello Mother Margaret, I want to explain my situation. The fatigue
I experience comes after so much physical exertion(or mental
stress). I can feel fine for a while, but fatigue sets in so I
have to rest to recoup some of that energy. I have symptoms of CFS,
in which the HPA axis has been found in these patients to be out
of wack and my fatigue symptoms so closely resemble that more than
anything. There hypothalumus-pituitary-adrenal hormonal response
to exersize is low and sometimes acually zero. the majory are
lacking in human growth hormone. Many have responded to very low
doses of human growth hormone, expanding the lenght of time there
stamina goes. Since my fatigue is not CONSTANT, but comes along
with exersize, it seems highly unlikely that I have that red blood
cell problem you often talk about.
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Sunshine
Member |
March
17, 2004
Pam, go into the "Hot Information" archives and look up
Garth Nicholsons information regarding Micoplasma Incognitus and
Micoplasma Fermentes and the symptoms related to these two
adjuvants that were part of the vaccines. This is believed to be
the root of the Chronic Fatigue and autoimmune disfunctions in the
vets from '91.
Good refresher at least. It may answer a few of the questions
that you have to review this information.
Cynthia
PS: Remember that these two infiltrate the cell membrane and
become part of the cellular structure of the cells, as opposed to
viruses and bacteria which attach themselves to the outer wall of
the cell.
[This message has been edited by Sunshine (edited March 17,
2004).]
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Pam
Member |
March
17, 2004
I was tested for that. Negative. |
Sunshine
Member |
March
18, 2004
Pam,
What test did they run? was it with the VA? or did you have
Garth Nicholson run it?
I need to know for my situation which avenue that I want to
have my husband take. Nicholson's institute is here in California.
We have been hesitant to go, however, if the VA is now testing for
it i need to know which test to ask for.
Thanks |
jellybabies801
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March
19, 2004
quote:
Originally posted by Mother Margaret:
Does this fit?
May be an immune problem ... for the chemical that I've
learned about, yes immune system is 'out of whack' I expect the
fatigue to be acquired autoimmune hemolytic anemia, so your body
(immune system) is killing off your own red blood cells
prematurely. As long as bone marrow compensates it doesn't show
up much in the red blood cell counts; but the immature red blood
cells are low functioning. Check some of these sources of
exposure to 2-butoxyethanol
Posted here: healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144758&page=3&pp=5
www.valdezlink.com/hb/immune_problem_.htm
Hello from London UK,
INFLAMMATORY RASHES
There's a brief message posted to your group today about
onchocerciasis at the Khamis Mushayt airbase (Saudi Arabia).
I just wanted to add that the most common presentation of
onchocerciasis is pruritis, with or without an inflammatory rash.
The treatment is a single 12mg dose of ivermectin. Merck give
the drug away for free all over the world which sometimes
complicates getting hold of it. The WHO have dispensed over 250
million doses under control programmes without a report of a life
threatening reaction, still less a fatality, so it's quite safe so
long as you don't have loiasis - which you probably don't.
To control a rash caused by onchocerciasis, one needs to take
ivermectin every 3 months, ideally with 100mg/day x 6-weeks
doxycycline (to sterilise and degenerate the adult parasite).
Regards JB. |
Mother
Margaret
Member |
March
21, 2004
quote:
Originally posted by Pam:
Hello Mother Margaret, I want to explain my situation. The
fatigue I experience comes after so much physical exertion(or
mental stress). I can feel fine for a while, but fatigue sets in
so I have to rest to recoup some of that energy. I have symptoms
of CFS, in which the HPA axis has been found in these patients
to be out of wack and my fatigue symptoms so closely resemble
that more than anything. There hypothalumus-pituitary-adrenal
hormonal response to exersize is low and sometimes acually zero.
the majory are lacking in human growth hormone. Many have
responded to very low doses of human growth hormone, expanding
the lenght of time there stamina goes. Since my fatigue is not
CONSTANT, but comes along with exersize, it seems highly
unlikely that I have that red blood cell problem you often talk
about.
Thanks for sharing, Pam
I spoke by phone this past week with a gulf war vet who said
she had the wrong ratio of mature to immature red blood cells.
That a whole group of military cleaned the dirty vehicles
returning from Saudi using DAWN for about 10 days straight and the
whole group of them came down sick with 'flu-like symptoms'
I thought I posted on GWV forum, but can't find my post
On the other hand ... maybe it was deleted
I remember another military woman of 4 years service who drove
a semi. She said that when the vehicles needed cleaning, she would
get doused in soap and water just like the truck (then she
clarified that it was DAWN) She has unexplainable health problems,
too
The endocrine things you mention ARE a part of what the
2-butoxyethanol does.
Still, I would check the red blood cells next time you're
having a blood test
www.valdezlink.com/doctors_need_medical_break-thru.htm
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