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Keith
March 16, 2004 
Well, 1am and wide awake again. I think I'm going to blow up. I don't even know what I want to write, so many thoughts rushing my already overloaded brain. I have anxiety like real bad, like a freight train going 3000 miles a minute, mixed with depression, mixed with pain, mixed with anger. My wife's grandpa died last week and I drank alot, now I'm trying to get back on track, won't drink and all of this. I have been seeing a counselor at the Outreach who thinks I have PTSD and last week he wanted to walk down memory lane, I had anxiety about going to the visit, because I knew he would want to talk about it, so I came to grips and decided to go in and be open let it out, he does this everyday, it must be good to get it out. Wrong, I told this guy I'm already pretty stressed out, the whole deal with me. He gets me talking about the ground war and the engagements, we have to stop like in the middle because times up, next patient and I go out get in my truck and start driving home in a blizzard, but its like I'm not driving my truck, I'm watching myself drive the truck plus reliving the experiences we just talked about. Really weird out of body type of #$it. I've read the posts about PTSD and I still can't figure out what it is. I thought stress disorder- I can't handle no more stress, stress crushes me anymore, thats a disorder, simple, not so simple. Dreams, the worst dream I have is I'm at a party, time is in the now, I'm all screwed up, physically not drunk, been searching for anyone from my section in the Storm, to see if they are. I finally run into Sgt. Ross, our Gunner, and he's all crippled up worse than me! I wake up! Its so real.
I know, now you all think I'm way out there. Maybe I am, but I have to put it out there, because maybe I ain't the only one. Now I wait for a date to decide my future, the C&P exam. I want to go in there and explode but know that won't help, maybe a couple of nights in jail after a bad episode at the Spokane VA won't help my case but it sure would put a smile on my face for years to come. I sit here alone in the dark trying not to wake the wife and kids trying to talk myself out of doing something intense at my exam, but the Def Leppard song goes through my mind; sometimes its better to burn out than to fade away!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to go in there and clear off a couple of desk tops along with a few choice words for the occasion given at a volume even the audio challenged could not ignore."WHY WAS I LED TO BELIEVE BY THE VAMC THAT I AM UNDIAGNOSED AND WHY DON'T YOU ORDER ALL OF THE TESTS TO PROVE OR DISPROVE THE POSSIBILITY OF BIOLOGICAL OR CHEMICAL EXPOSURE, THEN HAVE ME BACK FOR ANOTHER CIRCLE $%@#!"
I just found out that the Japenese used biologicals in 1939 Manchuria. They delivered it by busting open a shell with a clay seem that breaks allowing fleas infected with something to drop all over the China men. Nice. I didn't learn that in my Army NBC\NCO training course, Aug. 1991.
They know all the things we could be exposed to over there and yet the VA never, I mean never, even mentions it. They should have a way to test every soldier returning from a combat zone overseas, knowing the possibilities and test them, but they ignore it. I just can't take anymore.
Sorry if I got out of line, just having a bad time.THANKS
Keith

 

Gale
Administrator
March 16, 2004 

Keith,

I'm so sorry you're feeling so tortoured. I have a very irregular sleep schedule, myself. Have you asked for something to help you sleep? Amitryptilene helps me get a few winks. I hate taking it because it dries my mouth and the drugginess lingers throughout the day, but if I haven't slept well in a few days, I take it prior to a time where I can crash for a couple of days.

I think it's hard to put things from the war behind us, when we continue to hear and see things about Iraq on a daily basis. It's like the was never ended-- and, indeed, in most ways, it hasn't.

See if you can be referred to a Psychiatrist (who can prescribe you something for sleep and anxiety). I drank to excess before I was prescribed something else to help me deal and cope with things, and now I have liver damage, so try something besides alcohol for a while. I often use those quiet, lonely times in the night for prayer. It seems to help me relax and focus on other things or people, as well.

I hope you are able to find some relief soon. Don't feel badly about sharing your feelings here. Hopefully, we can help each other. May God wrap you in His Peace.

 

nmsurvey1
Member
March 16, 2004 
I tried Amitryptilene, and Klonopin. Amitryptilene worked for awhile and Klonopin works great as long as you don't drink alcohol. Also, Klonopin can be addictive! I quit drinking because of diabetes, and I didn't want to get addicted to Klonopin. So now I'm taking Trazodome. It's an anti-depresant that, in small doses, can be used as a sleep aid.
Jay
Member
March 16, 2004 

Keith,

you need to go at this therapy at YOUR pace, not the therapists pace. Remember, you are trying to help yourself deal with what you have in your own way.

My suggestion to you is to elimate alot of the stressors causing these anxiety outbreaks. Anxiety itself is the brains warning to you that it does not feel safe.

When your anxiety level becomes too much for your brain to handle your mind says to you "i give up, thats it".

its your brains protectiveness of you and this is called depression. This is where the idea of giving up comes from.

The best advice i can give to you is to eliminate some of the stressors so that you're brain can rest. Try to avoid news broadcasts, war movies, driving, and crowds. Just for a while at least until you can mentally figure out a way to cope with your emotions. Right now they are on a roller coaster. I like to go out sometimes and buy myself a gift. maybe a toy, just like when i was a kid. It helps bring my mind back to happier times. Good memories are better than the bad ones, and you do not need the bad one's.

I have been through exactly what you are going through now. It will ease, but try to remember that you need to do what's best for you and not what others believe is best for you. You are still in control.

Mother Margaret
March 21, 2004

I agree. It is cruel and unusual punishment for a therapist to open old wounds and not 'finish' what he/she started.

Up and down emotions; depression; feeling like giving up, even the lack of sleep itself may be part of a central nervous system damage ... and if that is the case, the therapist can't help much; however, sleep is very important to one's well-being. Even if you can't go to sleep, can you rest and realize that that is a help, too.

Think on the good times with the children. Write them letters of how you remember the good times you've had with them. Tell them what they mean to you and how you envision them as a success in life. Write a letter to your wife and hide it somewhere where she will find it; thank her for being there for you and the family ... tell her how you feel about her, too

 

BigL63
March 21, 2004 
quote:

Originally posted by Keith:
Well, 1am and wide awake again. I think I'm going to blow up. I don't even know what I ..... I just can't take anymore.
Sorry if I got out of line, just having a bad <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=time&v=55">time</a>.THANKS
Keith

Keith
I just wanted to say that I was thinking about you tonite and I hope you are feeling better. I hear alot of good advice here that helps my hubby, and although I can't say directly what you are dealing with I can say that I am sorry that anyone has to deal with this. I don't know if it will be of any help, but aside from the advice that is here already, I can say that it seems to help Garry sometimes, if when he is having the dreams etc. to write it all down. This not only allows him to be able to get it out, he also (if he chooses) has taken some of the more explicit journal pages to his doctor, so that he can understand a bit better about what is going on with him. When he chooses to write it down he includes every detail, if he is in pain (not just as memory of the dreams but the pain from the illnesses as well) anything he can to help them understand what his body is telling him. ANd if you are dealing with the VA it can be a long time between appointments so if you choose you can simply go back and make notes about the issues you want to address. I am not saying this is a cure all, and it may not work for some people, but I learned about using this at an early age and it does help to at least be able to express things sometimes allowing for their to be a sense of calm afterward so that you don't end up on the road with feelings of being wronged, and angry. Just a thought, hope you don't think I speak out of turn here, I just happened to remember it and I had you on my mind. Take care of you and God Bless
Leslie

rh8x
Member
March 21, 2004 

Keith,

I avoided reality until 1997 when I finally admit to myself that something is wrong. I denied, for years, that I was ill both physically & psychologically.

I was the "soldiers soldier" and I had to adapt & overcome (sound familiar?)

I tolerate pain very well, I never believed that experiencing "stressors" could hold a person hostage.

I stopped adapting & overcoming because I realized this is exactly what the Govt. wanted me to do, and to the point of depression where I would give up.

I've always been able to come to terms with anything I experienced. I realized that I did nothing wrong, and it was my duty to serve in the PGW. This helps greatly when dealing with the past (for me).

I lay awake countless nights thinking what the future holds for my wife and for me. I sometimes lay awake reliving Al Kafji, Halfir Al-Batin, Wadi Al-Batin the entire PGW.

Personally it's the constant dealing with being ill at such a young age that brings on the sleepless nights (for me). I have 11 illnesses (diagnosed) and wonder how many I have waiting to surfice. My primary doctor (civilian) keeps pushing for me to take sleep aid meds, I explain I'm 100% holistic and decline any meds. I know I was exposed to chemicals in the PGW and I truly believe my body is chemically unbalanced and adding more chemicals is not the answer (for me) If I took each prescribed med from every doctor for every illness I would be taking close to 25 pills DAILY. I chose not to deal with my illnesses with meds, but through diet. I know this sounds like an infomercial, but I changed my diet and it has helped GREATLY. I still have my illnesses, but the complications are far less than in the past. Sleeplessness and headaches are the two illnesses I do not have in control, and I think one is the direct result of the other. I think having the headaches is what keeps me up all night thus I relive my past. It's an nightly ritual.

Keith, hang in there, if not for you, for your family. I doubt they would like to see you behind bars; I know the VA would.

Just know you have people, friends that have gone through what you are going through and some even were in the same area in the PGW.

Damn VA!!

thanks
rh8x

Mother Margaret
March 24, 2004You definitely have the right approach.

Are there any helps here?

Are your headaches like these? (Please read thru the military input, too.) I wonder whether the headache is not in the brain but one of the endocrine glands, like the pituitary?

I think the sleepless nights are part of the neurological damage . . . There is a post here on that already.

If it's OK to swear, "I say damn the chemical companies who care more about earning a profit than they care about human life" AND I MEAN IT

The USA is clueless - they don't know what's the matter.

Keith
Member
 March 24, 2004 

Have you ever lost sleep after another man disrespected you and you couldn't sleep because the thought of choking the @#$% out of him, which he justly deserves, and your just wanting to let it go and avoid the trouble sure to follow. Well my sleepless nights, at least some, are kinda a result of similar nature. I know the government knows that we took a bite of a big @#$% sandwich and is just giving us the jerk around, which, even though I am being civil and following the legal path, causes me to want to resort to measures that suit me better, but have grave consequences and I have children to consider. Its just a natural thought process for me and I pray for the strength to overcome my violent tendencies. The other nights of unrest are due to pain, uncomfort, I can only sleep a certain way or I won't be able to move the next day. If that's Neurological please tell me as I'm on a waiting list till Sept. 2004 to see a nero at the VA. Hope it ain't anything that would bury me before that time!
Keith

Mother Margaret
March 24, 2004

I can understand. Many have been disrespected; and I'm glad you're taking the 'civil path' and considering your children who love and need you.

On the other hand, though feelings of anger can 'eat you up' and they only harm you and cause you to respond even to those you love ... with less love. It grows into bitterness ... and defiles many. Best to 'let it go' Make an effort to forgive.

If I were you (believing as I believe anyway) I would see a hematologist. There may be nothing that can be done for central nervous system damage (which all do have - whatever the diagnosis) ... but if you someday need a bone marrow transplant to live your live in fullness, you may be able to overcome the fatigue & escape paralysis from excessive blood formation outside the bone marrow. If your red blood cells look OK & you don't have too many immature red blood cells, skip.

Posted also at end of this thread & here:

Anyway, forgiving others has a healing effect. AND who knows, maybe it isn't the govt that has done something and covered it up.
Maybe the govt has NO IDEA what has caused 'gulf war illness'

Forgiveness is for YOU


Forgiving someone releases them for God to deal with; but most importantly, it is for YOU! Don't nurse your grudges!
envision a tree .... the branches are anger
the trunk is unforgiveness
and the big roots are Bitterness

This tree needs to be chopped down and the ROOT allowed to die

"Looking diligently lest any man fail of the Grace of God;
lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you,
and thereby many be defiled." Hebrews 12:15

Are you angry with God, too?
Steps to attaining the forgiveness you need:

1- Repent - Say you are sorry to Jesus for being so angry with our Savior and friend and to our Father. Ask Him to forgive you.

2- Forgive - As you seek Him who knows all things say this prayer

-(Name of Person who has hurt you) "for anything I have done that may have contributed to this hurt or broken relationship, Father Forgive me.

"I pray for ______________ who has hurt me deeply.
I forgive _________, and I forgive ___________."

Say this prayer as often as needed, daily, hourly,
putting in the names of all who have hurt you.
Coupled with fasting. Isaiah 58

You will begin to see and feel forgiveness and inner healing come.

There is no time to waste, in being angry and complaining about being misunderstood -

Make haste to come back quickly to the throne of Grace.
Jesus sits upon the Mercy Seat,
not one of judgment at this time.
May His sweet peace soon be yours.

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